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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 281205" data-attributes="member: 545">creamsteak,To answer your question, it is most likely that your DM is counting special abilities and has not a clue how the disadvantages play out.&nbsp; Monks are noticeably underpowered until approximately 7th level.It is also possible he is right.&nbsp; A monk who can stack up really high stats can be a DM nightmare in a way a raging barbarian never will be.&nbsp; But that will never be the case for a campaign that stays reasonably close to the three core books in balance.The monk is the most stat intensive character class in the PHB.&nbsp; That is a liability in most campaigns.&nbsp; It is a real boost in a few.On the general point of railing against monks:Monks are no substitute for a Fighter or a Barbarian or two in the party.&nbsp; But the mobility can be a huge boon for tactically savvy parties, and the opposite for the foolish.My experience is that if the DM cracks open the OA monks are brutally effective against weaker foes, but they just don't have the staying power one-on-one with the big boys.&nbsp; The answer is teamwork.&nbsp; For example, the synergy between Stunning Fists and Sneak Attack is amazing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 281205, member: 545"] creamsteak, To answer your question, it is most likely that your DM is counting special abilities and has not a clue how the disadvantages play out. Monks are noticeably underpowered until approximately 7th level. It is also possible he is right. A monk who can stack up [i]really[/i] high stats can be a DM nightmare in a way a raging barbarian never will be. But that will never be the case for a campaign that stays reasonably close to the three core books in balance. The monk is the most stat intensive character class in the PHB. That is a liability in most campaigns. It is a real boost in a few. On the general point of railing against monks: Monks are no substitute for a Fighter or a Barbarian or two in the party. But the mobility can be a huge boon for tactically savvy parties, and the opposite for the foolish. My experience is that if the DM cracks open the OA monks are brutally effective against weaker foes, but they just don't have the staying power one-on-one with the big boys. The answer is teamwork. For example, the synergy between Stunning Fists and Sneak Attack is [i]amazing[/i]. [/QUOTE]

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