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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jordan" data-source="post: 282124" data-attributes="member: 3362">I have to jump in on the side that says the monk isn't all that. I played a monk briefly in a side adventure that my group played while taking a break from our main campaign. We started at 10th level with a fairly high point buy. The monk would routinely lag behind the party's (archer) fighter and the party's cleric (with a couple of persistent spells) in terms of combat performance. I can't remember if I had the best AC in the group or not; it was pretty good when I was mage armored by the party sorcerer, but the cleric with magic full plate and a magic large steel shield might have been better.Here are my observations about the monk.Pros:Excellent AC vs. touch attacks, pretty good AC overallGood savesImproved evasionMobility came in handy sometimesCons:Total attack bonus was considerably lower than the other fighting members of the party; I was missing all the time against enemies the other party members didn't have much trouble hitting.Damage was really low compared to the other party membersMobility often wasn't useful since a lot of the time getting too far out in front of the rest of the party is basically suicideBasically the monk had a lot of good defensive abilities, but he wasn't really much help to the party in combat. Most of the time it was almost as if we had a 3 person party in terms of offense. And this was with a high point buy; a monk on a 25-28 point buy would really suck IMO.Compared to the rogue I played in our regular campaign, the monk just wasn't very good. My rogue can do tremendous amounts of damage to anything he can sneak attack, and really isn't that bad a fighter even when he can't. Given the choice, I'd always pick a rogue over a monk, based off my experience with the two classes.-Jordan</blockquote>

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