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<blockquote data-quote="Doctor Proctor" data-source="post: 4690512" data-attributes="member: 78547">Yeah...a lot of those kinds of posts are the crazily optimized guys.&nbsp; Plus, they're often talking about Strikers, whereas other classes won't be doing as much damage.Another thing to consider is the HP of those Epic Monsters.&nbsp; Swordwings are level 25 Soldier, so they're right in the middle for what you would be facing at Epic.&nbsp; They also have 234 HP's.&nbsp; So even if you were doing 60 damage per round, that's 4 rounds for someone to take that monster down.&nbsp; Or focus fire from the ENTIRE party for a round or a two.&nbsp; A Fighter at 25th level starting at 16 CON and pumping it at every level will have 198 HP with Toughness.&nbsp; And that's the HIGH end.&nbsp; Other classes? Not so much.&nbsp; A Cleric with a 12 CON at Epic is only going to have 144 HP's.So when you suddenly start throwing these big crit numbers at the PC's, when they're probably outnumbered anyway, it wil very quickly lead to party deaths.Yeah, their damage isn't always that sexy, but they typically have a lot more going for them than straight damage anyway.&nbsp; I mean, a Dread Wraith gives Weakness (save ends) with it's At-Will Attack.&nbsp; Others inflict all sorts of nasty conditions, many of which can severely hamper a target's ability to do damage.&nbsp; Stuff like Blind, Daze, Stun, etc..&nbsp; While the PC's can do this as well, it's usually worse when monsters can.&nbsp; If you had 8 monsters versus 4 PC's, for example, then Stun is worth twice as much when a monster uses it because it's eating up a greater percentage of the party's resources than it would if the PC's stunned one of the monsters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Doctor Proctor, post: 4690512, member: 78547"] Yeah...a lot of those kinds of posts are the crazily optimized guys. Plus, they're often talking about Strikers, whereas other classes won't be doing as much damage. Another thing to consider is the HP of those Epic Monsters. Swordwings are level 25 Soldier, so they're right in the middle for what you would be facing at Epic. They also have 234 HP's. So even if you were doing 60 damage per round, that's 4 rounds for someone to take that monster down. Or focus fire from the ENTIRE party for a round or a two. A Fighter at 25th level starting at 16 CON and pumping it at every level will have 198 HP with Toughness. And that's the HIGH end. Other classes? Not so much. A Cleric with a 12 CON at Epic is only going to have 144 HP's. So when you suddenly start throwing these big crit numbers at the PC's, when they're probably outnumbered anyway, it wil very quickly lead to party deaths. Yeah, their damage isn't always that sexy, but they typically have a lot more going for them than straight damage anyway. I mean, a Dread Wraith gives Weakness (save ends) with it's [B]At-Will Attack[/B]. Others inflict all sorts of nasty conditions, many of which can severely hamper a target's ability to do damage. Stuff like Blind, Daze, Stun, etc.. While the PC's can do this as well, it's usually worse when monsters can. If you had 8 monsters versus 4 PC's, for example, then Stun is worth twice as much when a monster uses it because it's eating up a greater percentage of the party's resources than it would if the PC's stunned one of the monsters. [/QUOTE]

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