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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9825543" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Sure, that's perfectly reasonable. It's not exactly my interpretation, but I'm not crazy far from that either.But my point was that the books themselves advocated it--quite hard, in multiple places. At least two that I know of, possibly more.I would expect that things the books tell people to do, do in fact get done a lot. Absolutely not ALL the time--but by that same token, I would expect it to be fairly common because...I mean it's what the book literally tells you to do! There's no way it was the most common experience--if it were I don't think D&D would have survived!--but it doesn't have to be the majority to still be a horrendously toxic issue. Put it at say, a fifth, a quarter, perhaps a third at absolute most. That'd still be an ENORMOUS chunk of the player base getting the nasty end of the Viking Hat.Or, to use a video game that has dealt with similar issues: Per Riot Games' own statistics, less than ten percent of all League of Legends players ever get a single infraction, and more than half of those (IIRC a supermajority? it's been a hot minute) never get a second infraction. Despite this fact, League of Legends had (and sorta still has) a reputation for an absolutely rancid community, overwhelmingly toxic and hostile, to the point that it was legitimately hurting the game's ability to grow. Remember, that's a community where they were actively trying to reward good behavior and punish bad behavior as effectively as they could.When the books advocate crappy behavior, yes, I'm going to expect that at least a meaningful slice of the people being told to do that will, in fact, actually do that. I've seen exactly that attitude here on ENWorld from one particular poster. This was long ago and got infracted as warranted, so I won't name names; time served and all that. I simply mention it because it shows that some folks really did buy in wholesale on Gygax's words here.</blockquote>

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