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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DinoInDisguise" data-source="post: 9828090" data-attributes="member: 7045806">The annoying part to me is the framing that it's binary. That you are either pro-DM or pro-player, that no nuance exists. That just because I believe a DM can restrict race and/or class options and not be a worse DM for it, that I must believe that DMs can do no wrong, and players no right. That if I believe,  players can walk away, they have agency, that that means I think all DMs tyrants.Extreme views do exist, and some may hold the very views people cite. But I have a sinking suspicion that most of us aren't so easily classified. That most of us value both roles, and desire a group that shares a vision. One that can succeed in having an enjoyable game for all, including ourselves, without subservience.So I reject the premise of us vs them, that there is some grand conspiracy, some evil cult, that threatens the hobby by promoting and actively encouraging broadly anti social behavior by one role or the other. Instead I believe there is trench digging for the sake of argument.That we are likely just people arguing over small differences of opinion.  That our differences largely wouldn't manifest outside deeply entrenched threads of argument and poorly worded posts of persuasion. That our tribalism is a product of the lens through which we read the words of others.If my theory is right, and the hobby is under no threat, and these forums aren't loaded with self-righteous narcissists who only value their own fun at the expense of others. Then maybe, just maybe, disagreements over table norms do not equate to moral failures, that maybe moralizing the fun of others is indeed unproductive.But I'm an optimist, with nothing but positive experiences with the TTRPG community and here on Enworld.</blockquote>

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