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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9830859" data-attributes="member: 93670">That's because you didn't when the posters he's talking about actually talked about it, the claim is almost certainly misremembered or misrepresented.  He's almost certainly talking about posts like <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-monsters-know-what-theyre-doing-are-unsure-on-5e24.716720/post-9828847" target="_blank">1142</a> or maybe even <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-monsters-know-what-theyre-doing-are-unsure-on-5e24.716720/post-9829008" target="_blank">1194</a> where the word human gets used a bunch in a different context.  This thread gives an endless chain of linkable posts with efforts to talk about the process of a hypothetical gm & player working together with tortle and other examples, but what they all fell prey to is being hijacked to grouse about specifics not meeting the goal of total and complete capitulation by the gm.The problem was not that Jedi <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-monsters-know-what-theyre-doing-are-unsure-on-5e24.716720/post-9823759" target="_blank">Klingons</a> loxodon and so on was somehow "disengenuius", it's the fact that there was any effort other than total capitulation</blockquote>