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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 9831204" data-attributes="member: 6901101">Again, trying not to bait the whole alignment argument. However, orcs in the LOtR movies are evil. They are depicted as evil through their actions. They follow a leader who is evil incarnate. And they are explicitly designed to look evil. So go ahead and compare them to whatever you want, but your comparison is not analogous.Just accept that the designers of the LotR movies wanted them evil. It's okay to admit that one creator wanted them one way, yet another creator (say Elder Scrolls or WoW) wanted them another. There is nothing wrong with that.I didn't say you were alone. I didn't say the majority don't share the views. I didn't say the tide hasn't changed like a King's Tide in the way people view orcs. I didn't say any of that. That is not what I claimed. Here is what I claimed:Then here is the claim in the same response bolded:You are 100% correct in your assumption most don't view orcs that way. It does not make it wrong for a DM to have a world that does view them the same way the LotR movies does.</blockquote>