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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9831617" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Except every time I talk about building toward consensus, what do people immediately do?"Well what do you do when the player refuses to do that". "How do you move forward". "That just leads to the loudest jerk shouting everyone down".Over and over and over and over. You can find it splattered across the pages of this thread. This isn't a mischaracterization. It's the actual content of these messages.But that's not how it's presented. Instead we get things like--as I noted from a previous thread--the laughable, mocking """"compromise"""" of "you get to be a human, who uses human mechanics, who has nothing that isn't human, but you come from a culture where you are part of the 'Dragon Clan' and you call yourselves 'dragonborn'." Or how several different posters here consistently characterize it as the player gets absolutely NOTHING, or else the GM is being completely denied any fun whatsoever.Not one person has presented that idea. Nobody. No one in this thread has spoken of that. Ever. Not once. Well, other than the blatantly disingenuous "Jedi in Star Trek".Point out to me ONE example where someone did that, actually seriously presented an example of a perfectly general thing that they got EXPLICIT player buy-in for, and I'll retract this claim.They have? Then why do they keep talking about horrible awful nasty players. Why do they keep talking about how giving the player ANYTHING they want that wasn't what the GM planned for means the GM doesn't get to have fun?</blockquote>

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