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<blockquote data-quote="M_Natas" data-source="post: 9832770" data-attributes="member: 7025918"><p>I don’t think anyone is claiming that rejecting a game is <em>cost-free</em> in every possible social context. Of course it isn’t. Social friction exists everywhere—games don’t magically opt out of that. But there’s a big difference between “sometimes saying no has social consequences” and “therefore saying no is not a reasonable expectation.”</p><p></p><p>In a healthy, non-toxic gaming environment, rejecting a game usually looks much more mundane than what you’re describing.</p><p></p><p>A GM proposes a campaign with a premise and constraints. People who like that premise opt in. People who don’t, opt out. No moral failing is implied. No blacklist gets activated. It’s just preference.</p><p></p><p>Example:</p><p></p><p>GM: “I’m planning a Spelljammer campaign. PCs wake up with no memories, level 1, no clerics or warlocks. Anyone interested?”</p><p>Player A: “Absolutely.”</p><p>Player B: “Sounds fun.”</p><p>Player C: “Not my thing—ping me for the next one.”</p><p></p><p></p><p>That interaction is not unusual. It’s the norm in groups that treat gaming as voluntary collaboration rather than social leverage.</p><p></p><p>Now, you’re absolutely right about one thing: there <em>are</em> spaces where refusing a game carries reputational risk, where people are quietly judged as “difficult” or “picky,” and where GMs can exploit their position to make unreasonable demands. Those environments exist. But that’s not a universal truth about tabletop games—it’s a description of dysfunctional social dynamics.</p><p></p><p>And here’s the uncomfortable part: those dynamics don’t get better by normalizing endurance. They persist <em>because</em> people feel they can’t say no.</p><p></p><p>“I’m willing to GM” only becomes a blank check if the group collectively treats it that way. In groups that don’t, GM authority is scoped: you pitch a game, not a social obligation.</p><p></p><p>No one is owed your time, your discomfort, or your silence. Not a GM. Not a friend group. Not a community with a rumor mill.</p><p></p><p>Yes, opting out can have consequences. But staying in bad games has consequences too—and they compound. Burnout, resentment, and learned helplessness are not trivial costs.</p><p></p><p>D&D isn’t a job, a family obligation, or a survival strategy. It’s a hobby. The baseline assumption has to be mutual enjoyment. When that assumption breaks, leaving isn’t antisocial—it’s honest.</p><p></p><p>If a space punishes people for declining games, that’s not evidence that declining is unreasonable. It’s evidence that the space is unsafe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="M_Natas, post: 9832770, member: 7025918"] I don’t think anyone is claiming that rejecting a game is [I]cost-free[/I] in every possible social context. Of course it isn’t. Social friction exists everywhere—games don’t magically opt out of that. But there’s a big difference between “sometimes saying no has social consequences” and “therefore saying no is not a reasonable expectation.” In a healthy, non-toxic gaming environment, rejecting a game usually looks much more mundane than what you’re describing. A GM proposes a campaign with a premise and constraints. People who like that premise opt in. People who don’t, opt out. No moral failing is implied. No blacklist gets activated. It’s just preference. Example: GM: “I’m planning a Spelljammer campaign. PCs wake up with no memories, level 1, no clerics or warlocks. Anyone interested?” Player A: “Absolutely.” Player B: “Sounds fun.” Player C: “Not my thing—ping me for the next one.” That interaction is not unusual. It’s the norm in groups that treat gaming as voluntary collaboration rather than social leverage. Now, you’re absolutely right about one thing: there [I]are[/I] spaces where refusing a game carries reputational risk, where people are quietly judged as “difficult” or “picky,” and where GMs can exploit their position to make unreasonable demands. Those environments exist. But that’s not a universal truth about tabletop games—it’s a description of dysfunctional social dynamics. And here’s the uncomfortable part: those dynamics don’t get better by normalizing endurance. They persist [I]because[/I] people feel they can’t say no. “I’m willing to GM” only becomes a blank check if the group collectively treats it that way. In groups that don’t, GM authority is scoped: you pitch a game, not a social obligation. No one is owed your time, your discomfort, or your silence. Not a GM. Not a friend group. Not a community with a rumor mill. Yes, opting out can have consequences. But staying in bad games has consequences too—and they compound. Burnout, resentment, and learned helplessness are not trivial costs. D&D isn’t a job, a family obligation, or a survival strategy. It’s a hobby. The baseline assumption has to be mutual enjoyment. When that assumption breaks, leaving isn’t antisocial—it’s honest. If a space punishes people for declining games, that’s not evidence that declining is unreasonable. It’s evidence that the space is unsafe. [/QUOTE]
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