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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9832787" data-attributes="member: 7635">I find it interesting that you respond to hypotheticals as attacks.much of this debate I've noticed is not framed as a social activity between equals, but on the context of a manager hiring players. A lot of the language used is that akin to hiring an employee rather than people deciding what to do on a Saturday night. There is no "what do you want to do?" "I dunno what are you up for?" Style of back and forth. There is pitch, offer, negotiate terms, and either accept the terms or move on to the next candidate.I'm pretty sure that's because a group of friends deciding their Saturday night plans is made amongst equals (or near equals, depending on the ride situation) with a lot of compromise and concessions (we'll see a movie this week, but next let's go to the bar). Whereas the DM is hiring his players for an explicit activity (are you interested in my Dragonlance game?) and there is no expectation of reciprocity (sure, but how about we run Eberron next time?) there is only accepting the terms or not. And how much you can negotiate your salary (can I play a Tortle?) depends on who is hiring.As someone who DMs primarily and plays occasionally, I see this from both sides. I feel though that the corporate hierarchy way of running the game is not as good as a more equitable method (Marx would have a lot to say on how D&D is run, but I don't want to run afoul of the politics rule). So suffice to say that for most of this conversation, the Tortle isn't the issue, it's the nature of power between DM and player that has been the core of this and I find it no surprise the argument has gone down the way it has.</blockquote>

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