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<blockquote data-quote="Unwise" data-source="post: 6805923" data-attributes="member: 98008">I actually have not come across people asking for a more complex fighter. I have come across people asking for a fighter with more options, or referring to them as one-trick-ponies without further elaboration. As far as I can tell, the people who want more abilities for fighters tend to have a mythological or wuxia basis for their vision of the high level classes. If you apply the litmus test of, could Achilles/Perseus do this? Then I guess that opens up other options. More so if you ask, could Hercules do this? Like picking up enemies and throwing them at other ones in an AE attack. What about the Indian or Chinese equivalents? They got up to some crazy stuff but would be considered plain martials within their mythological context.I don't see a lot of suggestions for specific lacking features, but I think those the feel the lack do so out of an extension of the Martial vs Magical divide that tends to come into focus at higher levels. You know, the argument that when wizards can open portals in the fabric of reality, why can't a martial grapple a huge creature, or run up a titans leg, or land from 200' that sort of thing. Its about the lens of realism being used on maritals, but not on magicals. Not something to get into in this topic. I suspect a lot of people with that view of martials would be happier in 4e, where powers existed to use people as human shields, throw them across rooms into other people, throw daggers at 10 people at once etc all without leaving the umbrella of mundane martial.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Unwise, post: 6805923, member: 98008"] I actually have not come across people asking for a more complex fighter. I have come across people asking for a fighter with more options, or referring to them as one-trick-ponies without further elaboration. As far as I can tell, the people who want more abilities for fighters tend to have a mythological or wuxia basis for their vision of the high level classes. If you apply the litmus test of, could Achilles/Perseus do this? Then I guess that opens up other options. More so if you ask, could Hercules do this? Like picking up enemies and throwing them at other ones in an AE attack. What about the Indian or Chinese equivalents? They got up to some crazy stuff but would be considered plain martials within their mythological context. I don't see a lot of suggestions for specific lacking features, but I think those the feel the lack do so out of an extension of the Martial vs Magical divide that tends to come into focus at higher levels. You know, the argument that when wizards can open portals in the fabric of reality, why can't a martial grapple a huge creature, or run up a titans leg, or land from 200' that sort of thing. Its about the lens of realism being used on maritals, but not on magicals. Not something to get into in this topic. I suspect a lot of people with that view of martials would be happier in 4e, where powers existed to use people as human shields, throw them across rooms into other people, throw daggers at 10 people at once etc all without leaving the umbrella of mundane martial. [/QUOTE]

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