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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6806040" data-attributes="member: 37579">The catch with many powers or complexity options is that they actually remove options. If there's a fighter with a power that lets them throw a grappled enemy then that means you shouldn't be able to do so without the power. That's removed from the potential toolbox. Instead, the fighter just has to be better at doing things already in the rules. But in a rules light system this is hard, as those options are less codified. At best you let them do fancy stuff *and* attack, implying that the fancy stuff can be done in place of an attack or as an action.A complex 5e fight should be built off the framework of the eldritch knight, replacing cantrips with at-will powers and maybe some lesser powers that recharge on a short rest. (Almost a 1/3rd warlock in terms of balance.) That would give some interesting choices each round, and a variety of powers. (Honestly though... I don't see that playing much different than the battle master.)Another option could also be some abilities that modify Action Surge, making that more diverse and giving new actions that can be used. Super maneuvers that are the equivalent of four attacks. That gives a decent mechanical and balance framework to work with. But you'd still need to think of powers AND a story hook with flavour beyond &quot;this is a variant fighter; they hit stuff.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 6806040, member: 37579"] The catch with many powers or complexity options is that they actually remove options. If there's a fighter with a power that lets them throw a grappled enemy then that means you shouldn't be able to do so without the power. That's removed from the potential toolbox. Instead, the fighter just has to be better at doing things already in the rules. But in a rules light system this is hard, as those options are less codified. At best you let them do fancy stuff *and* attack, implying that the fancy stuff can be done in place of an attack or as an action. A complex 5e fight should be built off the framework of the eldritch knight, replacing cantrips with at-will powers and maybe some lesser powers that recharge on a short rest. (Almost a 1/3rd warlock in terms of balance.) That would give some interesting choices each round, and a variety of powers. (Honestly though... I don't see that playing much different than the battle master.) Another option could also be some abilities that modify Action Surge, making that more diverse and giving new actions that can be used. Super maneuvers that are the equivalent of four attacks. That gives a decent mechanical and balance framework to work with. But you'd still need to think of powers AND a story hook with flavour beyond "this is a variant fighter; they hit stuff." [/QUOTE]

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