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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 3047089" data-attributes="member: 3051">Well, as someone who's played a 3/4 BAB class (Psychic Warrior) for a while, I can say that it's not too crippling to lose a point or two of BAB if you have other abilities that can compensate.&nbsp; A Clr1/Brd1 who then goes six levels of Barbarian or Ranger will have the same BAB as a comparable-level Rogue, Monk, or PsyWar.&nbsp; Suboptimal?&nbsp; Maybe, but it's not that bad.&nbsp; Look at how many people take a level or two of Rogue for the massive skill points, and lose a BAB point in the process.If you're playing a Ranger who intends to go into a PrC that doesn't advance his Favored Enemy or spellcasting abilities (like Horizon Walker), then it's actually a good choice to mix up those first few levels.&nbsp; Granted, when I did this I went Ranger/Barbarian/Fighter/Horizon Walker, and I could have mixed in a couple Rogue levels, but looking back I think Cleric wouldn't have actually been a bad choice, if you could get non-level-dependent abilities like the Luck and Travel domains.As for the armor thing: it's up to the player.&nbsp; You CAN go Heavy, and deal with spell failure for your very few Bard spells.&nbsp; Or, you can go Light.&nbsp; It's up to you.My only point was that when people talk about front-loading and rampant multiclassing, they almost always use Ftr/Rog/Rng/Bbn/etc. as the example, but Cleric and Bard actually mix in well, and for the light-armor types, Druid isn't that bad either.If your Rogue is already going to be wearing leather armor, why not toss in a Druid level or two?&nbsp; You'll get a boost to your Fort and Will saves, some minor spellcasting ability, a few extra weapon proficiencies, etc.&nbsp; Sure, it'll keep you from getting to the cool high-level Rogue abilities, but if you were intending to take a PrC by level 10 anyway, what's the difference?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 3047089, member: 3051"] Well, as someone who's played a 3/4 BAB class (Psychic Warrior) for a while, I can say that it's not too crippling to lose a point or two of BAB if you have other abilities that can compensate. A Clr1/Brd1 who then goes six levels of Barbarian or Ranger will have the same BAB as a comparable-level Rogue, Monk, or PsyWar. Suboptimal? Maybe, but it's not that bad. Look at how many people take a level or two of Rogue for the massive skill points, and lose a BAB point in the process. If you're playing a Ranger who intends to go into a PrC that doesn't advance his Favored Enemy or spellcasting abilities (like Horizon Walker), then it's actually a good choice to mix up those first few levels. Granted, when I did this I went Ranger/Barbarian/Fighter/Horizon Walker, and I could have mixed in a couple Rogue levels, but looking back I think Cleric wouldn't have actually been a bad choice, if you could get non-level-dependent abilities like the Luck and Travel domains. As for the armor thing: it's up to the player. You CAN go Heavy, and deal with spell failure for your very few Bard spells. Or, you can go Light. It's up to you. My only point was that when people talk about front-loading and rampant multiclassing, they almost always use Ftr/Rog/Rng/Bbn/etc. as the example, but Cleric and Bard actually mix in well, and for the light-armor types, Druid isn't that bad either. If your Rogue is already going to be wearing leather armor, why not toss in a Druid level or two? You'll get a boost to your Fort and Will saves, some minor spellcasting ability, a few extra weapon proficiencies, etc. Sure, it'll keep you from getting to the cool high-level Rogue abilities, but if you were intending to take a PrC by level 10 anyway, what's the difference? [/QUOTE]

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