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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6335875" data-attributes="member: 22779">Nope.&nbsp; Not true, see below./edit to add - The bolded part is the issue I have.&nbsp; The players are making assumptions based on the idea that Planescape lore is core.&nbsp; But it isn't.&nbsp; It's been allowed to bleed into core and I'd much rather it was taken back out and let be its own thing.Really?&nbsp; Are you sure about that?&nbsp; Find me a single mention of tanar-ri in the first edition MM.&nbsp; Find me a single mention anywhere in the 1e PHB, DMG or MM that demons hate devils.&nbsp; Find a single mention in the 3e core rules (not 3.5) where demons and devils are at war or hate each other (any more than demons hate everyone anyway).&nbsp; See, this is the problem.&nbsp; 2e made all that Planescape stuff core and people get to the point where they no longer distinguish between the Planescape setting specific stuff and what was actually core before TSR decided to mix the peanut butter and chocolate.So, yup, I can eject the flavour and that's certainly true.&nbsp; And that's what I did for much of 2e and for later era 3e/3.5.&nbsp; Because I do distinguish between simple planar elements and Planescape elements.&nbsp; However, what it means is that every bloody planar supplement has to follow Planescape lore and I find that very strange.&nbsp; Again, it's like every dragon must follow Dragonlance or every vampire must follow Van Richtophen's Guide to Undead.&nbsp; I really, really hope that Planescape fans get all the supplements that they want.The only thing I'm asking is that Planescape specific lore remain in Planescape where it belongs and stops bleeding over into the core game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6335875, member: 22779"] Nope. Not true, see below. /edit to add - The bolded part is the issue I have. The players are making assumptions based on the idea that Planescape lore is core. But it isn't. It's been allowed to bleed into core and I'd much rather it was taken back out and let be its own thing. Really? Are you sure about that? Find me a single mention of tanar-ri in the first edition MM. Find me a single mention anywhere in the 1e PHB, DMG or MM that demons hate devils. Find a single mention in the 3e core rules (not 3.5) where demons and devils are at war or hate each other (any more than demons hate everyone anyway). See, this is the problem. 2e made all that Planescape stuff core and people get to the point where they no longer distinguish between the Planescape setting specific stuff and what was actually core before TSR decided to mix the peanut butter and chocolate. So, yup, I can eject the flavour and that's certainly true. And that's what I did for much of 2e and for later era 3e/3.5. Because I do distinguish between simple planar elements and Planescape elements. However, what it means is that every bloody planar supplement has to follow Planescape lore and I find that very strange. Again, it's like every dragon must follow Dragonlance or every vampire must follow Van Richtophen's Guide to Undead. I really, really hope that Planescape fans get all the supplements that they want. The only thing I'm asking is that Planescape specific lore remain in Planescape where it belongs and stops bleeding over into the core game. [/QUOTE]

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