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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elderbrain" data-source="post: 6380043">If I might make an observation?Campaign material bleeding into core rulebooks is nothing new. It's been that way since the beginning. In AD&D 1st edition, Greyhawk was mentioned repeatedly - artifacts in the DMG, and numerous references in the MMII (in the Cat Lord's entry, as well as Fraz-Urb'luu, Gra'zzt and the Valley Elf entries). 2nd edition mentioned the Blood War in the Baatezu/Tan'narri entries, and Kender in the Death Knight entry, mentioned Ravenloft in the Mummy Lord entry, as well as including several monsters/references to Spelljammer. For anyone who hated Greyhawk, 3e and 3.5 must have been a nightmare, as the Greyhawk deities were featured as the default pantheon in the PH and DMG, and there were other Greyhawk references as well. The Book of Vile Darkness mentioned Gra'zzt's imprisonment (which happened on Oerth), and the Epic Level Handbook featured several Greyhawk NPCs and numerous Forgotten Realms NPCs. 4e used a grab-bag pantheon that included several Greyhawk deities and one Forgotten Realms deity, abeit divorced from their original settings. And finally, the current 5e PHB references just about everything multiple times, with Sigil called out in the planar section and the deities of Greyhawk, Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, and Ebberon given ample space in the appendix, along with classical pantheons like the Greek and Norse. In short, having to "suffer" through a handful of Planscape references (especially when using planar material (!)) doesn't seem like it should be cause for as much bellyaching as I'm hearing. Where were the cries of "foul!" when 3e featured the Greyhawk pantheon? If just having ANY campaign-specific material in core rulebooks is bad, that ought to have irked people like Huzzar at least as much as the Planescape references - yet I heard not a peep from him on that account!EVERY D&D player/dm has to put up with references and material that he/she doesn't like, every edition. None of us get to "opt out" of having to endure stuff we don't like. That's just life. I'm not that big a fan of the Forgotten Realms, yet every edition it gets preferencial treatment over other campaign settings, because it's popular. The 3.5 books had a Red Wizard prestige class right there in the core rulebooks, if I recall correctly. Should I have bitc- I mean, COMPLAINED, about that?That's my two cents...</blockquote>

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