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<blockquote data-quote="Elderbrain" data-source="post: 6381086">... Er, yes, Greyhawk material is not Planescape material... but then, I never said it WAS! I was talking about events having to do with Oerth appearing in the core rulebooks, nothing to do with the Great Wheel. (I never considered the Great Wheel to be &quot;part of&quot; Greyhawk. Greyhawk may ASSUME and USE the Great Wheel, but that does not make Great Wheel references Greyhawk references.) I was taling about things like mentioning that Fraz Urb'luu was imprisioned for a time on Oerth, the Hand and Eye of Vecna being in the DMG, etc. The point I was getting at is that if someone didn't like Greyhawk, they nevertheless had to put up with numerous Greyhawk references and/or material right in the core rulebooks. Why is that any less onerous than having, say, a reference to the Blood Wars in the monster manual? So, if somebody hates Planescape, the books must be sanitized of any reference to such, yet Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms references are perfectly o.k.? No offense, but a monster manual edited in such a way as to avoid stepping on anybody toes would have to be incredibly bland and tasteless. You couldn't say ANYTHING about a monster that might possibly &quot;prevent&quot; some DM somewhere from using the monster in a different capacity in their campaign. Example: &quot;WHAT?!? Vampires are listed as UNDEAD? But, but, in MY campaign they're alive! NOOOOO!!! How could they DO this?!? What do you mean, I can just change it? But, I shouldn't HAVE to change it, they should be listed as alive right there in the books! This is SO UNFAIR...&quot;See what I mean?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elderbrain, post: 6381086"] ... Er, yes, Greyhawk material is not Planescape material... but then, I never said it WAS! I was talking about events having to do with Oerth appearing in the core rulebooks, nothing to do with the Great Wheel. (I never considered the Great Wheel to be "part of" Greyhawk. Greyhawk may ASSUME and USE the Great Wheel, but that does not make Great Wheel references Greyhawk references.) I was taling about things like mentioning that Fraz Urb'luu was imprisioned for a time on Oerth, the Hand and Eye of Vecna being in the DMG, etc. The point I was getting at is that if someone didn't like Greyhawk, they nevertheless had to put up with numerous Greyhawk references and/or material right in the core rulebooks. Why is that any less onerous than having, say, a reference to the Blood Wars in the monster manual? So, if somebody hates Planescape, the books must be sanitized of any reference to such, yet Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms references are perfectly o.k.? No offense, but a monster manual edited in such a way as to avoid stepping on anybody toes would have to be incredibly bland and tasteless. You couldn't say ANYTHING about a monster that might possibly "prevent" some DM somewhere from using the monster in a different capacity in their campaign. Example: "WHAT?!? Vampires are listed as UNDEAD? But, but, in MY campaign they're alive! NOOOOO!!! How could they DO this?!? What do you mean, I can just change it? But, I shouldn't HAVE to change it, they should be listed as alive right there in the books! This is SO UNFAIR..." See what I mean? [/QUOTE]

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