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<blockquote data-quote="Elderbrain" data-source="post: 6383030"><p><strong>Why Planescape is a canonical addition to Great Wheel material</strong></p><p></p><p>O.K. Here is my best argument for the canonical status of Planescape and the reason references to the Blood War and such in the Fiend entries in the monster manual would not be unwarranted. Let's start by looking back at the 1e material about the Great Wheel and the fiendish races in the AD&D monster manual, monster manual two and Manual of the planes. Who produced them? TSR. Who wrote them? Gary Gygax wrote the 1st monster manual, he, Jeff Grub, and David Cook wrote the 2nd monster manual, and Jeff Grub wrote the Manual of the planes. (There were other contributers, naturally, but these are the ones that will make my case.) Now, nobody, including Hussar and Kamikaze Midget, disputes the canonical status of those books. With me so far? O.K, now there was only a seven-year gap between the release of Manual of the Planes (in 1987) and the debut of Planescape (in 1994). Did Planescape concern the Great Wheel? Yep. Did it use the same material as the MM1, MM2, and Manual of the planes? Yep. Was it an unlicenced, third-party production? Nope. It was produced by TSR, the very same company that produced the previous material. Now, who was the lead director in charge of Planescape material? David "Zeb" Cook, the same guy who wrote the Yugoloth and demon material in the MM2! Surely he had the right to add to what he had written before! Nor were Jeff Grub and Gary Gygax out of the loop; on the contrary, Jeff Grub was consulted frequently on planar matters, and Gary Gygax contributed a new monster to the mythology: the Goristro. So claims that Planescape material is not Great Wheel material, and that there should be a distinction between them, are pure balderdash! TSR and the original writers put their stamp of approval on it, and that's all it takes for it to be canon. The fact that some people don't like some of the additions, such as the Blood War and Yugoloths being master schemers, no more makes it uncanonical than a person disliking Vader being Luke's father makes "The Empire Strikes Back" uncanonical. Should such a person be allowed to demand that all references to "Empire" be kept out of the Star Wars role playing game? Of course not!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elderbrain, post: 6383030"] [b]Why Planescape is a canonical addition to Great Wheel material[/b] O.K. Here is my best argument for the canonical status of Planescape and the reason references to the Blood War and such in the Fiend entries in the monster manual would not be unwarranted. Let's start by looking back at the 1e material about the Great Wheel and the fiendish races in the AD&D monster manual, monster manual two and Manual of the planes. Who produced them? TSR. Who wrote them? Gary Gygax wrote the 1st monster manual, he, Jeff Grub, and David Cook wrote the 2nd monster manual, and Jeff Grub wrote the Manual of the planes. (There were other contributers, naturally, but these are the ones that will make my case.) Now, nobody, including Hussar and Kamikaze Midget, disputes the canonical status of those books. With me so far? O.K, now there was only a seven-year gap between the release of Manual of the Planes (in 1987) and the debut of Planescape (in 1994). Did Planescape concern the Great Wheel? Yep. Did it use the same material as the MM1, MM2, and Manual of the planes? Yep. Was it an unlicenced, third-party production? Nope. It was produced by TSR, the very same company that produced the previous material. Now, who was the lead director in charge of Planescape material? David "Zeb" Cook, the same guy who wrote the Yugoloth and demon material in the MM2! Surely he had the right to add to what he had written before! Nor were Jeff Grub and Gary Gygax out of the loop; on the contrary, Jeff Grub was consulted frequently on planar matters, and Gary Gygax contributed a new monster to the mythology: the Goristro. So claims that Planescape material is not Great Wheel material, and that there should be a distinction between them, are pure balderdash! TSR and the original writers put their stamp of approval on it, and that's all it takes for it to be canon. The fact that some people don't like some of the additions, such as the Blood War and Yugoloths being master schemers, no more makes it uncanonical than a person disliking Vader being Luke's father makes "The Empire Strikes Back" uncanonical. Should such a person be allowed to demand that all references to "Empire" be kept out of the Star Wars role playing game? Of course not! [/QUOTE]
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