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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nivenus" data-source="post: 6388287" data-attributes="member: 71756">This is a very good point. I remember well the bitter fights over whether the elf/eladrin split made any sense and the change to "core" tieflings' backstory (it's worth remembering pre-4e tieflings weren't unique to Planescape - 3e Forgotten Realms had them too). A lot of the animosity to 4th edition was a result of the rules changes, yes, but the lore changes upset a lot of people too.As with the mechanics, there were parts of the 4e lore that I liked and other parts that I disliked. I don't mind and even like a little the idea of gods vs. primordials; as others have pointed out it has a very mythical feel to it. And I feel like the Shadowfell and Feywild have more personality than the Plane of Shadow or the Realm of Faerie. That being said, there are other changes I wasn't very comfortable with. The reduction of alignment to a simple LG vs. CE axis was one of them. I preferred old school planetouched approach to tieflings and aasimar than 4e's tieflings or devas (not that I wholly dislike either of the latter). And the messy and unclear distinction between "high elf" eladrin and "celestial/noble" eladrin was just confusing. And so on.Either way though, it's actually a lot harder to separate the "core" lore of D&D from the game's appeal than I think some people are assuming. I do feel WotC might have done a better job accommodating those who preferred 4e's style to 3e's, but they do seem to be (on the surface level at least) a minority.</blockquote>

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