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<blockquote data-quote="Elderbrain" data-source="post: 6391188">Re: The default cosmologyI think it's important to remember, for those complaining about the Great Wheel being the default cosmology in 5e, that others were in your position during the run of 4e when the World Axis was the default (yes, the 4e Manual of the Planes presented a one-page summary of the Great Wheel, but really, it was a token effort and only of use to those who already had the 2e Planescape material and were familiar with it... anybody else didn't have enough information from that one page to really use it.) I'm hoping that the DMG will include the 4e cosmology (and perhaps several of the iconic 4e monsters crucial to the setting) in sufficient detail to use that in the game, for the benefit of those who don't like the Great Wheel. Naturally I hope they provide more details for the Great Wheel as well, but I'd happily set that aside for a future Manual of the Planes if adding the World Axis will appease 4e fans! Given such a large page count in the DMG, I don't see why they couldn't try and make everybody happy... I really don't mind (or dislike) elemental Archons as long as they don't erase/displace the Celestial ones (give one or the other a different name; &quot;Elemental Myrmidons&quot; has been suggested for 4e Archons, or they could think up a cool new name for the Celestial ones, like they renamed &quot;Titans&quot; to &quot;Empyreans&quot;. I know the latter choice will make some Planescape fans unhappy, but at least the Archons - whatever the name -would still be part of the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elderbrain, post: 6391188"] [b]Re: The default cosmology[/b] I think it's important to remember, for those complaining about the Great Wheel being the default cosmology in 5e, that others were in your position during the run of 4e when the World Axis was the default (yes, the 4e Manual of the Planes presented a one-page summary of the Great Wheel, but really, it was a token effort and only of use to those who already had the 2e Planescape material and were familiar with it... anybody else didn't have enough information from that one page to really use it.) I'm hoping that the DMG will include the 4e cosmology (and perhaps several of the iconic 4e monsters crucial to the setting) in sufficient detail to use that in the game, for the benefit of those who don't like the Great Wheel. Naturally I hope they provide more details for the Great Wheel as well, but I'd happily set that aside for a future Manual of the Planes if adding the World Axis will appease 4e fans! Given such a large page count in the DMG, I don't see why they couldn't try and make everybody happy... I really don't mind (or dislike) elemental Archons as long as they don't erase/displace the Celestial ones (give one or the other a different name; "Elemental Myrmidons" has been suggested for 4e Archons, or they could think up a cool new name for the Celestial ones, like they renamed "Titans" to "Empyreans". I know the latter choice will make some Planescape fans unhappy, but at least the Archons - whatever the name -would still be part of the game. [/QUOTE]

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