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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 6391523" data-attributes="member: 6779310">Actually, the D&D Cosmology has been firmly in place since AD&D 1E, in the appendices of the DMG. It really is "The D&D Cosmology" (which initially appears in the AD&D 1E PH, on page 121)... it got expanded in 2E, and in 3E, mostly ignored for 4E. There are a few subtle hints in late OE, too.  So, Yes, it REALLY is the D&D cosmology. Not Planescape, not Greyhawk's, not Spelljammer's (tho' spelljammer tweaks it a bit)...The thing is, for the MM fluff text, the PBR/PHB deities lists, and the PHB great wheel . Sure, the name 'The Great Wheel" is later - especially since the outer planes were shown in 1E as rectangles on the periphery of a large central rectangle (the Astral), but it's the same sequence as the later, round, appearance. And it was expanded first in the AD&D 1E Manual of the Planes.And the PBR, v2, on page 3, has a less hostile version of the  so-called Gygaxian Rule 0. This version reads:Your DM might set the campaign on one of these worlds or on one that he or she created. Because there is so much diversity among the worlds of D&D, you should check with your DM about any house rules that will affect your play of the game. [HI]Ultimately, the Dungeon Master is the authority on the campaign and its setting, even if the setting is a published world.[/HI] Note the highlighted text... Don't want the outer planes arranged in the great wheel? Fine - in your campaign, the PBR gives you explicit permission, right there on page 3, if you're clued in enough to read it, to make changes.Whinging on about it being what's in the rules is not likely to change a thing, as the rules have, for 37 years, used the same cosmology, and many of the same deities.  And didn't present them as "optional" back in 1977, and there's really no need to now, either. It's always presented them as "the Cosmology"... and left it up to DM's to change it if they saw fit. And still, it's that way.</blockquote>

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