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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nivenus" data-source="post: 6394144" data-attributes="member: 71756">Except using the same name does confuse things (I'm not sure why you'd claim otherwise). It means that if you use pre-4e archons you've got to rename them... or go the extra mile to explain, yes, these are archons but they're not the same archons. In fact, they're nothing like those other archons who happen to share the same name. Don't worry. It makes sense.Except that's a major simplification of 4e eladrin vs. pre-4e eladrin. One's a celestial race with intrinsic dies to chaotic good deities. One's high elves with some extra magic. And that's not an exaggeration - in the Forgotten Realms 4e eladrin are moon elves and sun elves... and celestial eladrin (who were apparently the same race all along, but no one knew).I'm not comfortable with the word "disrespect" in this context, but it certainly is more than just a representation of the same material. There were some major rewrites of the lore going on and it wasn't just Planescape fans who were disgruntled by it. The FR Wiki (which I started editing around 4e's release) damn well considered ignoring the entire edition. We're still dealing with repercussions now six years later, including an editionless policy that makes some of our articles a nigh incomprehensible mess. Even the Eberron Wiki, on my last check, is remarkably shy of 4e material, despite the minimal impact 4e had on that setting.I think what you - and some other posters - are perceiving as "Planescape fans demanding special treatment for their lore" is actually a much wider phenomenon: which is that fans of published campaign settings don't like to see the boat rocked very much, if at all. Planescape fans don't like it, Realms fans don't like it, Greyhawk fans don't like it, Eberron fans don't like it, etc. It's not a Planescape thing. It's a setting fan thing. The only reason it looks like a Planescape thing is because we're talking specifically about the planes.</blockquote>

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