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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6400819" data-attributes="member: 22779">Note, just to be absolutely clear, I'm talking about The Planes and not Planescape.  I honestly don't know enough about Planescape to really comment.And, it's mostly the fan base I'm irritated with.  I thought that would have been pretty clear all the way along.  it's the fan base that cares about canon after all.  If the planes (no caps) was a resource, then there would be no problems with changes.  You can have fifteen different kinds of trolls from ice trolls to giant two headed trolls and no one cares.  You can have different kinds of pretty much everything, mixing and matching features and changing baseline creatures all the way along, and by and large, it's fine.  Like I said, a 1e kobold and a 5e kobold are completely not the same creature.  About the only commonality is that they are both size small.  Orcs have changed dramatically over the years.  Heck, giants and dragons have both morphed into completely unrecognisable forms - dragons in 1e most of the time couldn't even cast spells and were not particularly large creatures - dragons in 3e and 4e are massive engines of destruction.  Giants got a massive boost between editions.  On and on and on.  And these changes were judged based on the merits of the change.  It makes sense for a game called Dungeons and Dragons to make dragons the biggest baddie around.But The Planes are a setting so, they can never really change very much.  Any change is automatically judged based on established canon rather than the merits of the change itself.  Which is fine.  They have become a setting and I should view them the same way I view all published settings - largely not worth my time a and largely something to ignore.  I don't generally run published settings.  In 30 years, the only published setting I've run is Scarred Lands.  I'll play in published settings, but, I won't run them, nor will I buy anything related to them.  Outside of my Scarred Lands collection, the last published setting book I bought was the 2e Faiths and Avatars.Well, sorry, that's a bit of a lie since I forgot I own the Fiendish Codex II, but that came in a box with a bunch of other books, so, I don't really count it and I certainly never used it in any game I ran.  Faiths and Avatars at least some some use.I like modules, but I really don't do settings.</blockquote>

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