Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6404605" data-attributes="member: 48965">Yes they are all LE... that was already established... show me where it says it is totally Evil... that is the point that was in contention earlier, by the very fact that it's nature is both Lawful and Evil it cannot be absolutely Evil and be absolutely Lawful...since absolute is well... absolute. Otherwise it's nature would just be evil... which is what 4e tried to present...for the most part... unless you were CE which was a wholly different type of evil as opposed to just being evil...And once Again LE is a broad umbrella as far as description goes not something specific and granular...tell me how much more LE is a Devil than a vampire who is also LE or a PC who is also LE... are they all the exact same as pertains to LE?NOTE: They say essential part of their nature not their entire nature and it nowhere states that they personify it in some ideal form.&nbsp; All it's saying is that they all fit under the umbrella of LE because something inherent in fiends causes certain commonalities... not that they are all the exact same.EDIT: Just to clarify evil is an absolute metaphysical force in the D&amp;D cosmology... law is an absolute metaphysical force... theoretically one can be absolutely evil... the platonic form of NE... one can be purely lawful... the platonic form of LN this is also true for Chaos and Good... what you can't be is absolutely LE... because it's an impure form by nature...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6404605, member: 48965"] Yes they are all LE... that was already established... show me where it says it is totally Evil... that is the point that was in contention earlier, by the very fact that it's nature is both Lawful and Evil it cannot be absolutely Evil and be absolutely Lawful...since absolute is well... absolute. Otherwise it's nature would just be evil... which is what 4e tried to present...for the most part... unless you were CE which was a wholly different type of evil as opposed to just being evil... And once Again LE is a broad umbrella as far as description goes not something specific and granular...tell me how much more LE is a Devil than a vampire who is also LE or a PC who is also LE... are they all the exact same as pertains to LE? NOTE: They say essential [B]part[/B] of their nature not their entire nature and it nowhere states that they personify it in some ideal form. All it's saying is that they all fit under the umbrella of LE because something inherent in fiends causes certain commonalities... not that they are all the exact same. EDIT: Just to clarify evil is an absolute metaphysical force in the D&D cosmology... law is an absolute metaphysical force... theoretically one can be absolutely evil... the platonic form of NE... one can be purely lawful... the platonic form of LN this is also true for Chaos and Good... what you can't be is absolutely LE... because it's an impure form by nature... [/QUOTE]

Verification