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<blockquote data-quote="Elderbrain" data-source="post: 6405913"><p>Pemerton wrote: "You can assert this stuff, but it doesn't make it true (putting to one side that few D&Ders define "lawful" as "following laws.""</p><p></p><p>- Give me a break! Why on earth do you think the alignment is called "Lawful"?!? In the D&D game, "Lawful" refers to any person who subscribes to the belief in creating and/or maintaining an orderly, hierarchical society with rules, regulations and laws. That is all that is required to make someone "Lawful" in the game. It is NOT the same as being "Good", nor is being good in any way a requirement or necessary component of being lawful. (It is possible to be truthful, and abide by your word, for instance, and still be evil. For that matter, Chaotics can do either of those things as well!) The Devils have a rigid, hierarchical society bound by rules, hence they are lawful. Period.</p><p></p><p>Yes, early in the game's history, it used a Lawful - Neutral - Chaotic line, but that was rightly abandoned as being too simplistic and not being able to properly represent certain common archetypes (such as a good but freedom loving rogue, or an evil tyrant who enforces rigid laws.)</p><p></p><p>And besides you, where are these alleged players and dms who think that "Lawful" has nothing to do with obeying rules and laws...?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elderbrain, post: 6405913"] Pemerton wrote: "You can assert this stuff, but it doesn't make it true (putting to one side that few D&Ders define "lawful" as "following laws."" - Give me a break! Why on earth do you think the alignment is called "Lawful"?!? In the D&D game, "Lawful" refers to any person who subscribes to the belief in creating and/or maintaining an orderly, hierarchical society with rules, regulations and laws. That is all that is required to make someone "Lawful" in the game. It is NOT the same as being "Good", nor is being good in any way a requirement or necessary component of being lawful. (It is possible to be truthful, and abide by your word, for instance, and still be evil. For that matter, Chaotics can do either of those things as well!) The Devils have a rigid, hierarchical society bound by rules, hence they are lawful. Period. Yes, early in the game's history, it used a Lawful - Neutral - Chaotic line, but that was rightly abandoned as being too simplistic and not being able to properly represent certain common archetypes (such as a good but freedom loving rogue, or an evil tyrant who enforces rigid laws.) And besides you, where are these alleged players and dms who think that "Lawful" has nothing to do with obeying rules and laws...? [/QUOTE]
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