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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 6406892" data-attributes="member: 12037">One of the reasons that I like Planescape, and especially Sigil, so much as a campaign setting is because it pushes the Law/Chaos axis into the forefront. Every game I run in Planescape is full or gray areas. What is the right thing to do? Where do my allegiances lie and why? What is the point of it all and what does it say I need to do? These are all questions that don't have correct answers. Or, more correctly, in Planescape, they are questions that you answer in order to find your own correct path.I was talking earlier about my Harmonium working with a Guvner on missions. I left out the alignments because inevitably alignments muddy waters. But, it seems like its come up now. My character was a LG paladin. He worked with a LE kobold. How did it work? Because our commitment to Law kept us on the same side, regardless of how we wanted to go about things. And, when we came into conflict, there was always a resolution that could be found within that guideline of Law. Playing evil characters is tricky. Playing them alongside good characters is even more tricky. But, it can work, and it can work very very well at least in Sigil. Other campaign settings... maybe not. But, that's one thing that makes Planescape so unique and so wonderful in my mind.I find that a really odd way of looking at it. Yes, "better" means "more good" - but only insofar as good means something subjectively desirable. So I can say that this hamburger is better than another. That doesn't mean that the hamburger has a moral outlook. That's because when we say a character is of the good alignment, we're obviously talking about a completely different definition. A definition that is put forward in the game. So, a goal can be more desirable without following the good alignment.So, a paladin's concern for good is most definitely affected by his concern for law. If he is presented with a choice that is kind of good but chaotic or not good but lawful, he might go with the latter choice, depending on the character's motivations, moral outlook, and history. Whereas a "more good" person (NG) might be more likely to choose the former option. So, yes, I would 100% say that for a paladin doing lawful good is better than just doing good, and sometimes that is going to affect the outcome of his decisions. And, the paladin is okay with that. Because law is important too.As someone who plays Planescape, I would say that this is a somewhat a misunderstanding of the planes. Elysium can be corrupted, and its a terribly dangerous thing. Because when areas of Elysium are corrupted (say become too lawful) they will actually fall into a different plane of existence! Planar inhabitants as well as planewalkers have to be on the lookout for this. Corruption is a very real danger, which physical effects.In other words, just because you see something happening in Elysium it doesn't mean it is of the purest good. You have to be wary, because it might be corruptive, and if it is you need to do something (or run away) before you get drawn into the mess.I don't know. Humans don't tend to act like that. "Oh, you register as good on my spell. I think what you're doing is reprehensible, but carry on." No way! The LG character is going to think that the CG character has good intentions sure. But, he's just inviting trouble. Maybe the CG character is trying to overthrow the LG character's government. Maybe the LG character is imprisoning the CG character's brother for crimes he believes are unjust. Take that on a cosmological scale and the NG plane becomes a battleground of ideology as exemplars of Law and Chaos battle for the hearts and minds of those who are "undecided" in their eyes. Entire communities/organizations are insulted, maligned, and at odds. Who cares if everybody wants "good" as an end goal if the methods are different. Wars have been fought over less. Much less.</blockquote>

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