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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6407099" data-attributes="member: 2067">Just a subtle point here: it's also possible that those other principles are, for Lawful or Chaotic characters, prerequisites for those traits agreed upon as Good. An LG character might see the true benefit of Charity as being impossible to realize without organized, systemic, procedural elimination of poverty by well-proven methods applied fairly and equitably to all. A CG char might look at the same principle of Charity and say that without that gift being voluntary and personal, it has little meaning or relevance to the giver. An NG character might say that Charity is Charity, and it doesn't depend on any other traits to be truly realized, that both instances are good and that neither should be eliminated (even if that sounds like milquetoast concessionism to the LG and CG folks).That's not necessarily the view, but it's another possibility, alongside "of equal or greater importance."It might be argued that the non-violence of the good planes is as much a cold war as the Blood War is a hot war. The Archons ("stuffy elitists") and the Eladrin ("hedonistic children") and the Guardinals ("dudley do-nothings") and even perhaps the Animal Lords ("self-interested beasts, really") really do hate each other, but they work against each other by highlighting the flaws of the other, not willing to risk all those good lives in outright violence. Where a tyrant rears its head, an Eladrin might be present for revolution...and an Archon might be present for a new king. And both recognize that either one of them is better than that devil the vizier has been talking to.I don't think a paladin would agree that Olympus is truly a realization of human wellbeing. Olympus is fine, sure, but it could be better. Its embrace of Chaos is a flaw, something that stops it from achieving the true goodness of somewhere like Celestia. And even Celestia exists in a world where it is still struggling against evil (it hasn't won yet!), and some of that evil is caused by those who embrace Chaos as well. Hell may be cruel, but better laws can fix those who exploit order for their own gain.</blockquote>

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