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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6411647" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>The presumed defaults of The Planes go far beyond the presumed defaults of any other creatures or settings. The presumed defaults include a shopping list of proper nouns, many of which have lengthy, detailed write-ups. Every planar creature lives in a specific kingdom, and that kingdom is written in fairly lengthy detail. The relationships between all the major players are detailed. How is this not a complete setting? What would have to be added to the default to make this a complete setting?</p><p></p><p>Nothing else in the game gets this treatment. Not since 1e have the relationships between the races been given much detail. Sure, dwarves live in the mountains, digging mines, but, which mountains? What are they mining? Are they rich or poor? What is their political structure? How do they feel about the elves in general? And, where do the elves live besides, "in a forest"? Sure, 4e Tieflings came from Bael Turath (sp) but, even then, that's set in the distant past and pretty easily ignorable. If I ignore the idea that Yugoloth are mercenaries, they stop being Yuguloth according to some.</p><p></p><p>Note, I'm not talking about what I do at my table, I'm talking about published material.</p><p></p><p>Sure, specific settings might change The Planes. But that only helps me if I want to play in that setting. Like I've repeatedly said where's my environmental setting source book for the Planes? Why do every planar monster in the Monster Manual have to conform to The Planes? Etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6411647, member: 22779"] The presumed defaults of The Planes go far beyond the presumed defaults of any other creatures or settings. The presumed defaults include a shopping list of proper nouns, many of which have lengthy, detailed write-ups. Every planar creature lives in a specific kingdom, and that kingdom is written in fairly lengthy detail. The relationships between all the major players are detailed. How is this not a complete setting? What would have to be added to the default to make this a complete setting? Nothing else in the game gets this treatment. Not since 1e have the relationships between the races been given much detail. Sure, dwarves live in the mountains, digging mines, but, which mountains? What are they mining? Are they rich or poor? What is their political structure? How do they feel about the elves in general? And, where do the elves live besides, "in a forest"? Sure, 4e Tieflings came from Bael Turath (sp) but, even then, that's set in the distant past and pretty easily ignorable. If I ignore the idea that Yugoloth are mercenaries, they stop being Yuguloth according to some. Note, I'm not talking about what I do at my table, I'm talking about published material. Sure, specific settings might change The Planes. But that only helps me if I want to play in that setting. Like I've repeatedly said where's my environmental setting source book for the Planes? Why do every planar monster in the Monster Manual have to conform to The Planes? Etc. [/QUOTE]
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