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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6414512" data-attributes="member: 87792">To me all these are obvious questions in the real world.  It's only the Protagonist Centred Morality and Might Makes Right of Planescape that makes them at all abnormal.I feel like it's pretty clear that the Great Wheel is presented as the privileged above all others representation of how one could map out the relationships between the planes.  There's more than one way to map the earth - but this doesn't change its nature away from an oblate spheroid.  You can <a href="http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=2" target="_blank">map the world by population of country</a> - and that's valid.  As is the Sensate's mapping.  However those aren't normal mappings and for good reason.The one doesn't follow from the other.  You can have boundaries of infinite length and defined shape.  You can have boundaries in one direction and infinite in another.And you can work out which planes are close to each other very easily.  There are mechanical rules in Planescape that mean that a magic sword loses a point of plus for each plane it is away from the home plane.  "So, if a character on Pandemonium uses a magical sword forged on Gehenna, the sword loses 2 from its pluses because the shortest route traces through the Astral (or the Outlands) to Pandemonium. If the sword's home plane were Limbo, it would only lose 1 plus, since Limbo and Pandemonium are directly adjacent (see the map of the planes)." - A DM Guide to the Planes.The mechanical way of establishing which planes are adjacent is clear.  Which puts the Great Wheel in exactly the position I'm saying it is.  Privileged above others because it has actual mechanical backing.You can, however, take artifacts from the Outlands and work out how effective they are on other planes.  Which allows you to work out the relative traits.  Do this for all planes you know how to reach and you get a nodal map.  This nodal map amongst other things contains The Great Wheel.I've just, by referencing the rule books, shown how you can do this.  Magic item attenuation.False.One reason planar adventurers should take a map including the Great Wheel with them is to know which of their magic swords are going to be the most useful.  That makes it pretty clear to me that the Great Wheel is more than simple ideology.Very clever.  Try something more like the following.Dear WotC,If you produce a 6th edition, sell two versions of the core books.  The first one should contain One True Way and nail down all the core lore, reflecting the way things were done whether or not that makes for interesting stories and whether or not it is appropriate for all D&D worlds.  The second should be more tentative, more mythological, and more geared to plot hooks and psychology rather than the minutiae of the %lair chance of goblins.  It would also help to have an online quick reference and development set of tools that people are going to refer to just for the mechanics when they need it - you can call this the SRD.  And the last time you did that it inspired far more than any fluff you've created before or since.There's no setting and no RPG that the right GM and the right group can't fix.</blockquote>

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