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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6414858" data-attributes="member: 7635">Huh? What are you arguing here?Not sure what the 15 years between 2e and 4e Athas has to do with anything. Both versions did moderately well reshaping the assumptions the 2e/4e PHB/DMG/MM made, all while keeping the core assumptions of the game in the books. When the Dark Sun box set came out, they didn't replace my PH with an Athas-based one (or a generic one lacking gnomes, named spells, and metal weapons); they let the box set tell me what was different. Hell yes in contradicted the default assumptions of the PH, that was the point. The same was true in Eberron; "if it exists in D&D, it exists in Eberron" was a selling point to the setting, but they should have added "but not in form you might remember." Eberron, like Dark Sun (or Ravenloft, or Dragonlance) plays with D&D's expected tropes and signatures. But to play with the default, you have to first establish the default! You can't deviate from the norm if there is no norm. So setting a default and then letting Eberron or Dark Sun or whatever deviate from it is perfect. And if I don't use either? I have a perfectly usable fallback to rely on. Pity the fool who has to make the PH generic enough to work seamlessly with both of them.</blockquote>