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<blockquote data-quote="Parmandur" data-source="post: 6415191" data-attributes="member: 6780330">Yes, that was what I was going for; a better example might be like with like.&nbsp; I myself do not exercise as I might; my neighbor who eats moderately and exercises regularly is, in fact, my moral superior as his behavior is more conducive to long term flourishing.For the gravity example, something simpler would be a good analogy: lying.&nbsp; Mills, Aquinas, Descartes and the Buddha are going to have different theoretical modelings of why &quot;honesty is the best policy,&quot; but it is about as apparent in practice that lying regularly can lead to issues as that jumping off the cliff will fail to achieve lift-off.Now, I won't go into detail so as to skirt on religious topics, but I have friends and family who hold objectively wrong beliefs about certain fairly significant scientific facts.&nbsp; They generally get through their day doing alright; their being objectively wrong does not do much to them in an easy-to-discern manner.&nbsp; However, their (quite objectively) wrong beliefs do cause them to make choices, detrimental choices, they might not otherwise.I also apologize if it seemed I demeaned the struggle of anyone dealing with personal issues; but again, I would say it is objectively better if those affected do, in fact, struggle with the issue.&nbsp; I have known many fine people who have substance abuse problems that they keep in check, because they want a better life for themselves and their families.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Parmandur, post: 6415191, member: 6780330"] Yes, that was what I was going for; a better example might be like with like. I myself do not exercise as I might; my neighbor who eats moderately and exercises regularly is, in fact, my moral superior as his behavior is more conducive to long term flourishing. For the gravity example, something simpler would be a good analogy: lying. Mills, Aquinas, Descartes and the Buddha are going to have different theoretical modelings of why "honesty is the best policy," but it is about as apparent in practice that lying regularly can lead to issues as that jumping off the cliff will fail to achieve lift-off. Now, I won't go into detail so as to skirt on religious topics, but I have friends and family who hold objectively wrong beliefs about certain fairly significant scientific facts. They generally get through their day doing alright; their being objectively wrong does not do much to them in an easy-to-discern manner. However, their (quite objectively) wrong beliefs do cause them to make choices, detrimental choices, they might not otherwise. I also apologize if it seemed I demeaned the struggle of anyone dealing with personal issues; but again, I would say it is objectively better if those affected do, in fact, struggle with the issue. I have known many fine people who have substance abuse problems that they keep in check, because they want a better life for themselves and their families. [/QUOTE]

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