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<blockquote data-quote="The Shaman" data-source="post: 5347271" data-attributes="member: 26473">The Vikings followed on the heels of four centuries of invasions which swept across Europe and decimated what remained of the institutions established by Rome, and they were ultimately repulsed or assimilated everywhere they went within a couple of centuries.They were not a factor through most of the Middle Ages.First, the &quot;dark&quot; ages aren't the same thing as the medieval era - you're conflating two different periods.Second, Europeans did not suffer from a lack of &quot;martial training&quot; - they suffered from being on the receiving end of wave after wave of migrations which sapped their manpower and resources. They were also faced with internal powere struggles arising from the breakup and breakdown of the Roman system of governance - society was fragmenting on many levels.Dude, you know the French won the Hundred Years War, right?(Edit: Somehow I managed to lose my last paragraphs. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />)Read about Pontvallain, or Bauge, or Patay, where the French cavalry rode down the supposedly invincible English longbowmen.And the French were a dominant military power in Europe long before Napoleon, arguably the most powerful from Rocroi in 1643 to Blenheim in 1704.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Shaman, post: 5347271, member: 26473"] The Vikings followed on the heels of four centuries of invasions which swept across Europe and decimated what remained of the institutions established by Rome, and they were ultimately repulsed or assimilated everywhere they went within a couple of centuries. They were not a factor through most of the Middle Ages.First, the "dark" ages aren't the same thing as the medieval era - you're conflating two different periods. Second, Europeans did not suffer from a lack of "martial training" - they suffered from being on the receiving end of wave after wave of migrations which sapped their manpower and resources. They were also faced with internal powere struggles arising from the breakup and breakdown of the Roman system of governance - society was fragmenting on many levels.Dude, you know the French [B]won[/B] the Hundred Years War, right? (Edit: Somehow I managed to lose my last paragraphs. :() Read about Pontvallain, or Bauge, or Patay, where the French cavalry rode down the supposedly invincible English longbowmen. And the French were a dominant military power in Europe long before Napoleon, arguably [B]the[/B] most powerful from Rocroi in 1643 to Blenheim in 1704. [/QUOTE]

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