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<blockquote data-quote="Zurai" data-source="post: 3974799" data-attributes="member: 52324">Your objection was that the martial adept could use multiple maneuvers in multiple rounds. Well, fine, my fighter can use multiple feats then. 5 rounds of combat, so 5 maneuvers if possible and 5 feats. Same Androsphinx from before. We'll assume a flank buddy for both characters after round 1, to be even. This time, though, I'll calculate in crits as well. Deal?Fighter: Weapon Spec, Melee Weapon Mastery, Power Attack, Vexing Flanker, Improved Critical.&nbsp; We'll convert all of the bonus to-hit from feats and flanking into Power Attack damage. That gives us a charge at +19, 4 attacks at +17, and 4 attacks at +12, for the same 6.3 expected hits from before.&nbsp; There are 1.26 expected critical threats on an average attack bonus of +15; that's an average of 0.882 confirmed criticals (half of which are because of Improved Critical). Totalling the bonus damage from our feats, then, we have (6.3*2) from Weapon Spec, (6.3*2) from MWM, (5.4*12 + 0.9*4) from Power Attack, and ((0.882 * (2d6+19))/2) from Improved Critical. That's a total added damage of 105.066.Warblade: Oh, wait, I can only use 4 maneuvers in 5 rounds at level 9. My 4 maneuvers are Elder Mountain Hammer, Death From Above, White Raven Strike, and Bonecrusher. That's one maneuver at +17, three at +19, and a +19/+14 full attack to recover maneuvers. We'll use our least damaging maneuver (WRS) on the +17. +19 is a 90% chance to hit, while +17 is an 80% chance to hit. (0.9 * 6d6) + (0.9 * 4d6)*2 + (0.8 * 4d6) + two baseline no damage added attacks is a total yield of 42.7 average &quot;extra&quot; damage. But wait! The Warblade gave up attacking three times at +14 to make those extra damage attacks! That's 27.3 expected damage, meaning the Warblade's maneuvers only gained him 15.4 damage overall. Crits are irrelevant for the warblade, because maneuvers are not multiplied on a crit, and I already factored out the &quot;normal&quot; greatsword crit damage from the Fighter's results.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zurai, post: 3974799, member: 52324"] Your objection was that the martial adept could use multiple maneuvers in multiple rounds. Well, fine, my fighter can use multiple feats then. 5 rounds of combat, so 5 maneuvers if possible and 5 feats. Same Androsphinx from before. We'll assume a flank buddy for both characters after round 1, to be even. This time, though, I'll calculate in crits as well. Deal? Fighter: Weapon Spec, Melee Weapon Mastery, Power Attack, Vexing Flanker, Improved Critical. We'll convert all of the bonus to-hit from feats and flanking into Power Attack damage. That gives us a charge at +19, 4 attacks at +17, and 4 attacks at +12, for the same 6.3 expected hits from before. There are 1.26 expected critical threats on an average attack bonus of +15; that's an average of 0.882 confirmed criticals (half of which are because of Improved Critical). Totalling the bonus damage from our feats, then, we have (6.3*2) from Weapon Spec, (6.3*2) from MWM, (5.4*12 + 0.9*4) from Power Attack, and ((0.882 * (2d6+19))/2) from Improved Critical. That's a total added damage of 105.066. Warblade: Oh, wait, I can only use 4 maneuvers in 5 rounds at level 9. My 4 maneuvers are Elder Mountain Hammer, Death From Above, White Raven Strike, and Bonecrusher. That's one maneuver at +17, three at +19, and a +19/+14 full attack to recover maneuvers. We'll use our least damaging maneuver (WRS) on the +17. +19 is a 90% chance to hit, while +17 is an 80% chance to hit. (0.9 * 6d6) + (0.9 * 4d6)*2 + (0.8 * 4d6) + two baseline no damage added attacks is a total yield of 42.7 average "extra" damage. But wait! The Warblade [i]gave up attacking three times at +14 to make those extra damage attacks[/i]! That's 27.3 expected damage, meaning the Warblade's maneuvers only gained him 15.4 damage overall. Crits are irrelevant for the warblade, because maneuvers are not multiplied on a crit, and I already factored out the "normal" greatsword crit damage from the Fighter's results. [/QUOTE]

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