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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 3976848" data-attributes="member: 9254">I did some character builds and it's not that hard.&nbsp; Most of the disciplines have at least one 4th or 5th level maneuver that has no pre-req, probably to allow those 10th level Warblades &amp; Crusaders to branch out without taking a 1st level maneuver.&nbsp; Anything 20/Warblade1: Moment of Perfect Mind&nbsp;&nbsp; Pre:0&nbsp; Concentration instead of Will Save&nbsp; &nbsp; or&nbsp; &nbsp; Action before Thought&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pre:0&nbsp;&nbsp; Concentration instead of Ref Save&nbsp; &nbsp; or&nbsp; &nbsp; Rapid Counter&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Pre:0&nbsp;&nbsp; Use attack roll to block &nbsp; or&nbsp;&nbsp; Insightful Strike&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pre:0&nbsp;&nbsp; Damage = Concentration (d20+Con+Skill) Emerald Razor&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pre:1&nbsp;&nbsp; Attack goes against Touch ACGreater Insightful Strike&nbsp; Pre:2&nbsp; damage =2x Concentration(d20+Con+Skill)Hear the Air Stance&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pre:2&nbsp; 30' blindsense, +5 insight ListenThis character now has permanent blindsense 30', +5 Listen checks, gets one attack/encounter as a touch attack (on par with a psionic feat), gets another attack/encounter that gets to use 2d20+extras for damage, plus either a boost to a weak save, a parry, or an attack that uses d20+extras for damage.&nbsp; Yeah, that's a sucky dip.&nbsp; Even at Anything10/Warblade 1 you get:Insightful Strike&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pre:0&nbsp;&nbsp; Damage = Concentration (d20+Con+Skill)Emerald Razor&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pre:1&nbsp;&nbsp; Attack goes against Touch ACPearl of Black Doubt Stance&nbsp; Pre:2&nbsp;&nbsp; Gain +2 dodge every time someone misses you Or:Wall of Blades&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Pre:0&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; use attack roll to block&nbsp;&nbsp; orSteel Wind&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pre:0&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; get 2 attacks as Standard actionIron Heart Surge&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pre: 1IH&nbsp; dispel effect on self, +2 attack bonus 1/roundAbsolute Steel Stance&nbsp;&nbsp; Pre: 1IH&nbsp; +10ft move, +2 dodge if move 10'+&nbsp; Bone&nbsp; Crusher&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Pre:0&nbsp; +4d6 dam and possibly +10 to crit confirmsThe Adept can dispel negative effects, has a move bonus with a scout-like dodge, has a pretty mean attack that improves crits, and can either move and attack 2 targets or counter an attack.&nbsp; Yup, this is a very dip friendly system.&nbsp; I'd have been happier if it had been capped to 4x the MA level.&nbsp; That would limit both the 20/1 and 10/1 to Initiatior 4th, or 1st and 2nd maneuvers.&nbsp; Still quite useful since virtually every stance is a equivalent to a feat but not quite so dip-friendly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 3976848, member: 9254"] I did some character builds and it's not that hard. Most of the disciplines have at least one 4th or 5th level maneuver that has no pre-req, probably to allow those 10th level Warblades & Crusaders to branch out without taking a 1st level maneuver. Anything 20/Warblade1: Moment of Perfect Mind Pre:0 Concentration instead of Will Save or Action before Thought Pre:0 Concentration instead of Ref Save or Rapid Counter Pre:0 Use attack roll to block or Insightful Strike Pre:0 Damage = Concentration (d20+Con+Skill) Emerald Razor Pre:1 Attack goes against Touch AC Greater Insightful Strike Pre:2 damage =2x Concentration(d20+Con+Skill) Hear the Air Stance Pre:2 30' blindsense, +5 insight Listen This character now has permanent blindsense 30', +5 Listen checks, gets one attack/encounter as a touch attack (on par with a psionic feat), gets another attack/encounter that gets to use 2d20+extras for damage, plus either a boost to a weak save, a parry, or an attack that uses d20+extras for damage. Yeah, that's a sucky dip. Even at Anything10/Warblade 1 you get: Insightful Strike Pre:0 Damage = Concentration (d20+Con+Skill) Emerald Razor Pre:1 Attack goes against Touch AC Pearl of Black Doubt Stance Pre:2 Gain +2 dodge every time someone misses you Or: Wall of Blades Pre:0 use attack roll to block or Steel Wind Pre:0 get 2 attacks as Standard action Iron Heart Surge Pre: 1IH dispel effect on self, +2 attack bonus 1/round Absolute Steel Stance Pre: 1IH +10ft move, +2 dodge if move 10'+ Bone Crusher Pre:0 +4d6 dam and possibly +10 to crit confirms The Adept can dispel negative effects, has a move bonus with a scout-like dodge, has a pretty mean attack that improves crits, and can either move and attack 2 targets or counter an attack. Yup, this is a very dip friendly system. I'd have been happier if it had been capped to 4x the MA level. That would limit both the 20/1 and 10/1 to Initiatior 4th, or 1st and 2nd maneuvers. Still quite useful since virtually every stance is a equivalent to a feat but not quite so dip-friendly. [/QUOTE]

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