Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
The Myth of the Bo9S's Popularity
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 3976874" data-attributes="member: 32164"><p>Of course a character with an 18 Con can have an ungodly amount of hit points. Of course, the default array in Saga doesn't have any 18's in it, but I'll let that slide. If you're rolling, an 18 Con is a pretty rare stat. If you're point buy, it's a significant investment of character resources.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, your hypothetical character with both Extra Second Wind AND Tough as Nails has devoted his entire allotment of 1st-level resources (unless he's human) to achieving this.</p><p></p><p>And he's not actually <em>taking 6 hits!</em> He is surviving 6 very close shots from a blaster pistol. Again, think of Luke in <em>A New Hope</em>. He's a 1st-level Scout (about 26 hp). Stormtroopers are shooting at him. Constantly. And they never even <em>get close.</em></p><p></p><p>Of course, if you're going to make the assumption of an 18 Con (highest available), the guy ought to be able to survive better than average shots. Oh, and those second winds only help as long as the guy's not getting shot multiple times in the same round.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, I just don't see this character as superhuman. Heroic? Yes. Everyone knows that getting shot <em>hurts,</em> so cinematically, you don't want characters who are getting shot 6 times. But are they getting shot "at" more than 24 times? More than 30? How many times does Luke get shot at? 100? If 1st level characters are still going to be on their feet after that, it's because they "lost hit points" in the process of avoiding all that blaster fire.</p><p></p><p>Blaster pistols can't work the way melee combat does. In melee combat, you can turn a "hit" into a grazing blow. With a firearm, that's harder to swallow.</p><p></p><p>Who wants to play the guy who cowers when the shooting starts because one hit would mean his death?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 3976874, member: 32164"] Of course a character with an 18 Con can have an ungodly amount of hit points. Of course, the default array in Saga doesn't have any 18's in it, but I'll let that slide. If you're rolling, an 18 Con is a pretty rare stat. If you're point buy, it's a significant investment of character resources. Similarly, your hypothetical character with both Extra Second Wind AND Tough as Nails has devoted his entire allotment of 1st-level resources (unless he's human) to achieving this. And he's not actually [i]taking 6 hits![/i] He is surviving 6 very close shots from a blaster pistol. Again, think of Luke in [i]A New Hope[/i]. He's a 1st-level Scout (about 26 hp). Stormtroopers are shooting at him. Constantly. And they never even [i]get close.[/i] Of course, if you're going to make the assumption of an 18 Con (highest available), the guy ought to be able to survive better than average shots. Oh, and those second winds only help as long as the guy's not getting shot multiple times in the same round. Sorry, I just don't see this character as superhuman. Heroic? Yes. Everyone knows that getting shot [i]hurts,[/i] so cinematically, you don't want characters who are getting shot 6 times. But are they getting shot "at" more than 24 times? More than 30? How many times does Luke get shot at? 100? If 1st level characters are still going to be on their feet after that, it's because they "lost hit points" in the process of avoiding all that blaster fire. Blaster pistols can't work the way melee combat does. In melee combat, you can turn a "hit" into a grazing blow. With a firearm, that's harder to swallow. Who wants to play the guy who cowers when the shooting starts because one hit would mean his death? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
The Myth of the Bo9S's Popularity
Top