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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3980821" data-attributes="member: 2011">Superhuman does have to be considered supernatural in the literal sense of the word (i.e. beyond natural). Nothing wrong with DND martial types doing supernatural abilities (using that definition, not the DND one of supernatural as magic) as long as they do not do them at low levels. As long as they gradually gain these "beyond normal" abilities, it's ok.The problem comes in (for some of us) when they gain abilities which are not extensions of normal abilties.The ability to instantantly heal. The ability to teleport. The ability to fly. The ability to have fire spring from a sword.These are magical abilities. They are not enhancements of normal abilities and do not belong in the list of martial powers.My concern is that these types of magical martial powers will be in the list of martial powers. Just look at Hide in Plain Sight in 3E. Effectively going Invisible is not an enhancement of Hiding. The Hiding skill itself should be boosted, the rules of Hiding should not be changed. IMO.That's where 4E might have issues. The designers might not merely enhance abilities, they might change the rules for these powers (e.g. similar to Diverting Defense where you can accidently hit your ally 10 or more feet away, even though you cannot reach him at that range, it breaks the normal rules to allow the feat to work).</blockquote>