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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1786072" data-attributes="member: 707">You seem to believe that the Order of a society is &quot;greater&quot; or more universally significant than the Order within a single soul.&nbsp; I disagree.&nbsp; For me, the Order within a single soul, on the substantive level, is just as significant as the Order of a community, if not moreso.But even if we set that aside, you seem to disagree with one of the primary aspects of my interpretation.&nbsp; My assertion is that a single PC need not embody every aspect of Order in order to be considered &quot;Lawful&quot; in alignment.&nbsp; Just as some Good characters will be merciless, while others will shy away from punishing the evil.&nbsp; If a character's claim to Lawful alignment is through internal Order, then legal systems don't have any bearing on his Lawfulness.&nbsp; He can break them every day, and never cease to be Lawful, because he was never Lawful in the sense that he is Law-Abiding in the first place.&nbsp; His Lawfulness expresses itself differently.&nbsp; It's the same as a Good character who punishes wrongdoers.&nbsp; He doesn't cease being Good because he fails to offer villains mercy.&nbsp; Mercy was never his claim to Good in the first place.You seem to concede this point regarding monks:I maintain that this can be applied to any Lawful character.&nbsp; If their claim to the Lawful alignment is based on personal discipline, then they only lose that claim if they lose their discipline.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 1786072, member: 707"] You seem to believe that the Order of a society is "greater" or more universally significant than the Order within a single soul. I disagree. For me, the Order within a single soul, on the substantive level, is just as significant as the Order of a community, if not moreso. But even if we set that aside, you seem to disagree with one of the primary aspects of my interpretation. My assertion is that a single PC need not embody [i]every aspect[/i] of Order in order to be considered "Lawful" in alignment. Just as some Good characters will be merciless, while others will shy away from punishing the evil. If a character's claim to Lawful alignment is through internal Order, then legal systems don't have any bearing on his Lawfulness. He can break them every day, and never [i]cease[/i] to be Lawful, because he was never Lawful in the sense that he is Law-Abiding in the first place. His Lawfulness expresses itself differently. It's the same as a Good character who punishes wrongdoers. He doesn't cease being Good because he fails to offer villains mercy. Mercy was never his claim to Good in the first place. You seem to concede this point regarding monks:I maintain that this can be applied to any Lawful character. If their claim to the Lawful alignment is based on personal discipline, then they only lose that claim if they lose their discipline. [/QUOTE]

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