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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 3314551" data-attributes="member: 9037">I think social skills are very much needed in the game. They give everyone a chance to play swashbuckler or bard.I am very much in favor of role playing and I think that a good DM knows when to call for a roll and when to let the role play stand on its own.As an example I was playing a knight with a high diplomacy and I was having to convince an enemy king that we did not mean naything warlike by coming to their city that we were on a mission of peace and trying to find a cure for a plague that was going to wipe out the entire world.Now sometimes I can come up with the best speeches and sometimes I can't. That day I was tripping all over my words. The more I role played it the more tongue tied I got. The DM finally took mercy on me and had me roll a diplomacy check. I have seen a DM let a low chr character make and amazing speech and let it stand because it was awesome and the player did not use his natural charisma all the time. I have also seen DMs require checks on players who are naturally charasmatic who are choosing to play 8 Chr character but keeps coming up with these amazing speeches.As for the people who say that if you can't play a smooth talking bard in real life don't play one well then if you can play a smooth talking bard please only play that and leave the sullen barbarian and fighter classes to those who can't play a bard. yep that sure sounds like fun. :\ I don't understand this all or nothing apporach to using social skills. Their is a big difference between always and neverusing the rolls.</blockquote>

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