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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 3314743" data-attributes="member: 3887">Sure... one more time <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Let me start off by trying to clarify things...We disagree on how social skills should be viewed. Are they more player skills or character skills? You favor character, I favor player. Though in practice I'd bet there's not so much difference between us.And for the record, I wasn't trying to 'prove'  that social skills shouldn't be treated as character skills. I was just pointing out that the reason people frequently site for doing so "The game's all about people playing something they're not" is unevenly applied. When I applied the same argument to combat, I got a bunch of answers than ran the gamut from "unconvincing" to "unconvincing in a different way".The rules really can't help you play any kind effective character, because playing effective characters requires both player and character skill. Heh... I was nitpicking. You exact words were "I'd rather use my imagination and transcend my own personal limits." (Note you didn't say "experience"). Doesn't everything you do/are fall within your personal limits? It sounded like you wrote 'I use my imagination to imagine more things than I can imagine".Sorry...  It is. Most fun I've had playing an RPG in years.  You misunderstood me. I think D&D = "adolescent power fantasy". Heck, make that "most RPG's".On a cranky day I'd throw in "most fantasy literature and good chuck of sci-fi too".But that's another topic. We could start another thread... I'd wager a lot of people feel differently. The vast majority of players I've seen enjoy personally solving in-game problems (including combats), not just character acting. A friend of mine once described the soul of RPG play as 'brainstorming solutions for crazy problems". Sounds good to me. Need? No. Remember that previous editions of the game didn't have any rules for social encounters (aside from the 'hate table' and max number of henchmen).People made do. By talking. Or by not having any real social encounters.The game is probably better off having social rules. So long as people disregard them from time to time. Does consistency have an intrinsic value that I'm not aware of <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Yes, I'm suggesting the use of different subsystems. In fact, I think that the use of mutually incompatible subsystems is a hallmark of RPG's (of course, I started with AD&D, so that kinda figures).</blockquote>

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