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<blockquote data-quote="buzz" data-source="post: 3334016" data-attributes="member: 6777">Sure. I think the issue is just the degree to which you weight one or the other. I tend to agree with Jacen that +10 for player performance is a wee bit much.Looking at the SRD (sorry, no PHB in front of me), it says &quot;You can change the attitudes of others,&quot; and in opposed checks, &quot;the winner gains the advantage.&quot; It never says anything about Diplomacy insuring an outcome, only that it affects attitude. Also, unlike Bluff, Diplomacy never addresses the content of the PC's argument, i.e., modifiers for believability or risk. Diplomacy is solely about your delivery.All the adjustments do is, basically, give the DM an idea of whether the NPC likes the PC or not. Whether the NPC likes them enough to, say, lend them 10,000gp is still a DM call.Well, they are as far as Diplomacy reads to me.I've certainly considered it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="buzz, post: 3334016, member: 6777"] Sure. I think the issue is just the degree to which you weight one or the other. I tend to agree with Jacen that +10 for player performance is a wee bit much. Looking at the SRD (sorry, no PHB in front of me), it says "You can change the attitudes of others," and in opposed checks, "the winner gains the advantage." It never says anything about Diplomacy insuring an outcome, only that it affects attitude. Also, unlike Bluff, Diplomacy never addresses the content of the PC's argument, i.e., modifiers for believability or risk. Diplomacy is solely about your delivery. [i] All the adjustments do is, basically, give the DM an idea of whether the NPC likes the PC or not. Whether the NPC likes them enough to, say, lend them 10,000gp is still a DM call. Well, they are as far as Diplomacy reads to me. I've certainly considered it. :)[/i] [/QUOTE]

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