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The new Battlerager - Clear as mud
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<blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 4972982" data-attributes="member: 51942"><p>From a plain logical standpoint it's clearly the case that <em>both </em>the class feature <em>and </em>the invigorating keyword taken together cause the hitpoints to be granted.</p><p></p><p>However, every character taking dwarf stoneblood feat has the Battlerager Vigor class feature. It's a prerequisite. For the PC's in question thus, using an invigorating power always grants thp; both on hit and miss.</p><p></p><p>Since you gain thp whenever you <em>use </em>an invigorating power (and hit or miss), and the feat increases the amount gained when you <em>use </em>an invigorating power, isn't it reasonable for the feat to increase the amount gained both on hits and misses?</p><p></p><p>Consider also: Presumably the feat is written to be read accurately by the players of battleragers (they're the only one's that can take it), and from a battlerager's perspective, using an invigorating power grants thp, no-questions asked. From the perspective of the target audience, this feat most reasonable reads as increasing those thp gained by <em>using </em>an invigorating power - not merely increasing those thp gained by <em>hitting</em> with an invigorating power.</p><p></p><p>Finally, this reading doesn't strike me as being particularly abusive, so there's no meta-game reason (as far as I can see) to be reluctant to interpret it thusly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eamon, post: 4972982, member: 51942"] From a plain logical standpoint it's clearly the case that [I]both [/I]the class feature [I]and [/I]the invigorating keyword taken together cause the hitpoints to be granted. However, every character taking dwarf stoneblood feat has the Battlerager Vigor class feature. It's a prerequisite. For the PC's in question thus, using an invigorating power always grants thp; both on hit and miss. Since you gain thp whenever you [I]use [/I]an invigorating power (and hit or miss), and the feat increases the amount gained when you [I]use [/I]an invigorating power, isn't it reasonable for the feat to increase the amount gained both on hits and misses? Consider also: Presumably the feat is written to be read accurately by the players of battleragers (they're the only one's that can take it), and from a battlerager's perspective, using an invigorating power grants thp, no-questions asked. From the perspective of the target audience, this feat most reasonable reads as increasing those thp gained by [I]using [/I]an invigorating power - not merely increasing those thp gained by [I]hitting[/I] with an invigorating power. Finally, this reading doesn't strike me as being particularly abusive, so there's no meta-game reason (as far as I can see) to be reluctant to interpret it thusly. [/QUOTE]
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