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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7572562" data-attributes="member: 6795602">You say that everytime, I show you numbers and you still don't believe me.(Just with a longbow)If you make 20 attacks then on average you will miss by 1 once.&nbsp; You will miss by 2 on average once etc.&nbsp; You have 12 precision dice a day assuming 2 short rests.8/8 (chance precision attack changes the roll) + 7/8 + 6/8 + 5/8 + 4/8 + 3/8 =&nbsp;&nbsp; (6 superiority dice used).&nbsp; You will turn on average 4.125 of your misses into hits.&nbsp; Since your average damage is 17.5 that means your 6 superiority dice add 72.1875 average damage to your day.&nbsp; You still have 6 superiority dice left to use regular and they can add 27 damage per day.&nbsp; That's a total of right at +100 damage per day.&nbsp; A single attack from your regular longbow with -5/+10 over 20 rounds does between 87.5 and 245 damage per day (low vs high ac).&nbsp; By the time you add in hand crossbows and crossbow expertise you stop using non precision superiority dice.&nbsp; You double your number of attacks so you spend twice as many resources on precision attack.&nbsp; It turns twice of 4.125 misses into hits = 8.25.&nbsp; At 16.5 damage per attack that is 136.125 damage per day.&nbsp; Hand crossbows will do between 132 and 429 damage per day.&nbsp; Do you know how much colossus slayer adds to a similar longbow ranger per day that's trying to use the -5/+10?&nbsp; Between 27 and 63 damage.&nbsp; Hunter's mark adds between 21 and 49 = 48 to 112 damage.&nbsp; Against most AC's the battlemaster fighter is better.The issue is that CE and SS don't play nice with hunters mark.&nbsp; So now you have competing bonus actions.&nbsp; You gain very little by using hunters mark because of this even against a boss.&nbsp; Now the ranger really struggles to use one of his damage bonuses while the fighter got significantly more effective at using his.Conclusion:&nbsp; Rangers are good but an optimized battlemaster trumps them in damage and has a much better NOVA capability than they do given he can action surge.&nbsp; Damage now is always better and it's one more reason that the optimized battlemaster is better at combat than the hunter ranger.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7572562, member: 6795602"] You say that everytime, I show you numbers and you still don't believe me. (Just with a longbow) If you make 20 attacks then on average you will miss by 1 once. You will miss by 2 on average once etc. You have 12 precision dice a day assuming 2 short rests. 8/8 (chance precision attack changes the roll) + 7/8 + 6/8 + 5/8 + 4/8 + 3/8 = (6 superiority dice used). You will turn on average 4.125 of your misses into hits. Since your average damage is 17.5 that means your 6 superiority dice add 72.1875 average damage to your day. You still have 6 superiority dice left to use regular and they can add 27 damage per day. That's a total of right at +100 damage per day. A single attack from your regular longbow with -5/+10 over 20 rounds does between 87.5 and 245 damage per day (low vs high ac). By the time you add in hand crossbows and crossbow expertise you stop using non precision superiority dice. You double your number of attacks so you spend twice as many resources on precision attack. It turns twice of 4.125 misses into hits = 8.25. At 16.5 damage per attack that is 136.125 damage per day. Hand crossbows will do between 132 and 429 damage per day. Do you know how much colossus slayer adds to a similar longbow ranger per day that's trying to use the -5/+10? Between 27 and 63 damage. Hunter's mark adds between 21 and 49 = 48 to 112 damage. Against most AC's the battlemaster fighter is better. The issue is that CE and SS don't play nice with hunters mark. So now you have competing bonus actions. You gain very little by using hunters mark because of this even against a boss. Now the ranger really struggles to use one of his damage bonuses while the fighter got significantly more effective at using his. Conclusion: Rangers are good but an optimized battlemaster trumps them in damage and has a much better NOVA capability than they do given he can action surge. Damage now is always better and it's one more reason that the optimized battlemaster is better at combat than the hunter ranger. [/QUOTE]

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