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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7572751" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Not at all.  Though the Bard basically lacking DPR spells and cantrips AND defensive spells does play a role it's not everything.  For tier 1 Faerie fire is a good debuff spell but you are vastly overrating it IMO.  It's a much better spell later than it is early.  Buffs and Debuffs in level 1 slots tend to scale very well.  Other spells cast in level 1 slots tend to lose effectiveness.  That makes it much better in tier 2+ as your level 1 slots would normally be doing next to nothing but yours are quite effective. So for tier 1 alone, I'd rate sleep and tasha's hideous laughter as better bard spells.  Wizards get both of those and other highly rated spells for tier 1 combat.  Magic Missile.  Shield.  Mage Armor.  And out of combat he gets the beloved find familiar (or maybe he takes an owl and uses it in combat).  The wizard also gets the often forgotten arcance recovery which gives him an extra spell or 2 per day in tier 1 compared to the bard and that's before we even consider wizard subclasses like blade singer or abjuration wizard or divination wizard.Looking at level 2 spells the bard has nothing notable that I'm seeing that the wizard don't get.  The wizard though has, web, misty step, rope trick, levitate.  There's simply no way I can look at all that and come away with the Bard is better at combat than a wizard.  Now out of combat, the wizard is not very good at the social pillar.  The bard is fantastic there.  In the exploration pillar though the wizard is better.  Teleport with misty step and familiar goes a long way there.  Rope trick is also a cool exploration and recovery spell.  Levitate doubles as a debuff and an exploration enabling spell.Overall I'd probably give a slight edge to the bard.  But in combat and exploration the wizard outperforms the bard IMO.</blockquote>

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