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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7572828" data-attributes="member: 6795602">I thought we were talking about the most optimized fighter for combat vs the most optimized ranger for combat.  If you want to move those goal posts somewhere else then have at it.  If you want to talk about less optimized fighters of course the most optimized ranger can beat out them.  I get you don't like the precision attack concept.  Maybe you don't understand the math involved in it?  I find people that don't understand the math involved tend to throw around the whiteroom insult a lot and you use it quite often.Here's what I can tell you.  A ranger with just crossbow expertise and not SS takes 3 attacks to finally surpass what he could have done if he would have just attacked with his bonus action.  I find that means I am typically using at least 2 bonus actions an encounter on hunters mark (unless we are fighting a large solo enemy).A ranger with CE + SS takes 5 attacks to finally surpass what the ranger that just attacked with his bonus action could have done.  If you've taken CE + SS and are helping an ally focus fire down an enemy as is typically the best strategy then chances are that enemy is going to be dead before you make the 5 attacks needed to make hunters mark be worth casting.  Conclusion, with crossbow expertise on a ranger, against all but solo's hunter's mark just isn't worth casting.  The spell slot at that point is more valuable as healing.  Once you realize that your ranger that always can SS + CE + Hunter's Mark + Collosus Slayer every round of the day is ultimately revealed as the fake whiteroom masterpiece.</blockquote>

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