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<blockquote data-quote="Autumn Bask" data-source="post: 7574011" data-attributes="member: 6986805">So, let's summarize:Diviner Wizard&nbsp;&nbsp; - D6 Hit Die&nbsp;&nbsp; - No Armor or Weapon Proficiencies&nbsp;&nbsp; - Arcane Recovery (1-2 Extra Spell Slots per day)&nbsp;&nbsp; - Ritual Caster&nbsp;&nbsp; - Find Familiar&nbsp;&nbsp; - Divination Dice (2)Lore Bard&nbsp;&nbsp; - D8 Hit Die&nbsp;&nbsp; - Light Armor and Crossbow Proficiencies&nbsp;&nbsp; - Bardic Inspiration (4d6)&nbsp;&nbsp; - Expertise (2)&nbsp;&nbsp; - Jack of All Trades&nbsp;&nbsp; - Cutting Words&nbsp;&nbsp; - Healing SpellsValor Bard&nbsp;&nbsp; - D8 Hit Die&nbsp;&nbsp; - Medium Armor, Shields, and Martial Weapons&nbsp;&nbsp; - Bardic Inspiration (4d6)&nbsp;&nbsp; - Expertise (2)&nbsp;&nbsp; - Jack of All Trades&nbsp;&nbsp; - Healing SpellsFor me, it's the healing spells that tip things over the edge. Being able to bring an ally back into the fight immediately after they're downed is invaluable. Especially since Tier 1 is when everyone is at their most vulnerable. However, I can see an argument for Detect Magic (ritual) + Find Familiar giving the Wizard a comparable Exploration pillar to the Bard's Social pillar.However, I can see an argument (dammit, repetition) for Diviner Wizard (and the Diviner Subclass only) moving into Tier 1, just because of how good Divination Dice are. However, I think that advantage becomes significantly less pronounced once things move into Tier 2, where I would move them back down to Tier 1.5 (wow, that is a little confusing).EDIT: A better explanation for why I value healing so highly, is that I consider healer to be a party role, and if a class cannot fill it, that is a severe mark against their versatility compared to any class that can.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Autumn Bask, post: 7574011, member: 6986805"] So, let's summarize: [B]Diviner Wizard[/B] - D6 Hit Die - No Armor or Weapon Proficiencies - Arcane Recovery (1-2 Extra Spell Slots per day) - Ritual Caster - Find Familiar - Divination Dice (2) [B]Lore Bard[/B] - D8 Hit Die - Light Armor and Crossbow Proficiencies - Bardic Inspiration (4d6) - Expertise (2) - Jack of All Trades - Cutting Words - Healing Spells [B]Valor Bard[/B] - D8 Hit Die - Medium Armor, Shields, and Martial Weapons - Bardic Inspiration (4d6) - Expertise (2) - Jack of All Trades - Healing Spells For me, it's the healing spells that tip things over the edge. Being able to bring an ally back into the fight immediately after they're downed is invaluable. Especially since Tier 1 is when everyone is at their most vulnerable. However, I can see an argument for Detect Magic (ritual) + Find Familiar giving the Wizard a comparable Exploration pillar to the Bard's Social pillar. However, I can see an argument (dammit, repetition) for Diviner Wizard (and the Diviner Subclass only) moving into Tier 1, just because of how good Divination Dice are. However, I think that advantage becomes significantly less pronounced once things move into Tier 2, where I would move them back down to Tier 1.5 (wow, that is a little confusing). EDIT: A better explanation for why I value healing so highly, is that I consider healer to be a party role, and if a class cannot fill it, that is a severe mark against their versatility compared to any class that can. [/QUOTE]

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