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<blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 2967340" data-attributes="member: 23977">Hrmm.. You mentioned spells being changed which nerf the original OM. Spells, aren't a OM specific feature, however, so you can't really expect the spell to be redesigned for the sake of the monster. That just wouldn't be practical. So unfortunately, with the rework of the spells, the poor OM's abilities didn't function properly in the way they used to. So now he's a bad monster... But it's Dungeons and Dragons not Dungeons and Ogre Mages...&nbsp; Eggs and Omlets man. (and other such cliches...) I'm personally not upset about the design choices. I think the OM redux was a good monster. Maybe it took out some of the flair of the original, but it wasn't a bad monster. Maybe it will inspire some flair and fluff of its own somewhere down the line. I think it's a good thing they streamline the monsters. That way, if I just need a monster to fight the party for some reason they're there quick and easy. I don't know about you, but with a job, family, girlfriend, and other intrests I don't have hours and hours worth of D&amp;D time. So easy monsters with sample treasures and lairs are really usefull. I can spend more time modifying whats there as opposed to making everything up from scratch... If I want to then turn one into a mastermind, I can always add abilities as I see fit.Which I think is a big part of 3.x design philosophy. Give you monsters that are usable right out of the box, and customizable if you want...The OM seems like it was built for a specific purpose. Which means unless you were running a game that had mysterious Ogre intrigue, it was kind of pointless.But that's only my opinion...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scribble, post: 2967340, member: 23977"] Hrmm.. You mentioned spells being changed which nerf the original OM. Spells, aren't a OM specific feature, however, so you can't really expect the spell to be redesigned for the sake of the monster. That just wouldn't be practical. So unfortunately, with the rework of the spells, the poor OM's abilities didn't function properly in the way they used to. So now he's a bad monster... But it's Dungeons and Dragons not Dungeons and Ogre Mages... Eggs and Omlets man. (and other such cliches...) I'm personally not upset about the design choices. I think the OM redux was a good monster. Maybe it took out some of the flair of the original, but it wasn't a bad monster. Maybe it will inspire some flair and fluff of its own somewhere down the line. I think it's a good thing they streamline the monsters. That way, if I just need a monster to fight the party for some reason they're there quick and easy. I don't know about you, but with a job, family, girlfriend, and other intrests I don't have hours and hours worth of D&D time. So easy monsters with sample treasures and lairs are really usefull. I can spend more time modifying whats there as opposed to making everything up from scratch... If I want to then turn one into a mastermind, I can always add abilities as I see fit. Which I think is a big part of 3.x design philosophy. Give you monsters that are usable right out of the box, and customizable if you want... The OM seems like it was built for a specific purpose. Which means unless you were running a game that had mysterious Ogre intrigue, it was kind of pointless. But that's only my opinion... [/QUOTE]

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