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<blockquote data-quote="Mad Mac" data-source="post: 2969053" data-attributes="member: 27873">Yeah. The Ogre Mage should have lots of minions with his ability to attempt to charm one person (Who is not an Ogre) for a couple of hours, once a day. And his ability to transform for a few minutes a day. It's full of unbridled depth and unrealized power....&nbsp; Sorry, but I still say it's a wimpy monster that is vastly over CR'd simply because of the Cone of Cold attack being completely out of line with it's other abilities. And all this talk about awesome Mastermindry is just silly. There's a bazillion other creatures who can out-mastermind the Ogre Mage in their sleep, including really exotic stuff like humans with class levels. &nbsp; There's no implied Mastermind theme in the fluff text for the creature over different editions, and playing it that way goes against the Oni concept as well. The Ogre Mage is just a badly designed creature. That said, I don't have any objection to giving the redesigned version a Charm Monster ability.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mad Mac, post: 2969053, member: 27873"] Yeah. The Ogre Mage should have lots of minions with his ability to attempt to charm one person (Who is not an Ogre) for a couple of hours, once a day. And his ability to transform for a few minutes a day. It's full of unbridled depth and unrealized power.... Sorry, but I still say it's a wimpy monster that is vastly over CR'd simply because of the Cone of Cold attack being completely out of line with it's other abilities. And all this talk about awesome Mastermindry is just silly. There's a bazillion other creatures who can out-mastermind the Ogre Mage in their sleep, including really exotic stuff like humans with class levels. There's no implied Mastermind theme in the fluff text for the creature over different editions, and playing it that way goes against the Oni concept as well. The Ogre Mage is just a badly designed creature. That said, I don't have any objection to giving the redesigned version a Charm Monster ability. [/QUOTE]

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