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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Geron Raveneye" data-source="post: 2969578" data-attributes="member: 2268">Nah, but how about a properly leveled character?Lets have a look at Sorcerer X. Sorcerer X has a great Charisma (18/+4), a good Dexterity (16/+3), a mediocre Strength (11/0) and an above-average Constitution (12/+1). His spells known are (without 0 level spells) 4/2/1, and his spells per day are 7/6/4. He has 6d4+6 hit points, which averages out to 21 hit points. For some reason, he also has taken the necessary feat to handle a Greatsword. His spells known are1st: Mage Armor, Charm Person, Sleep, Enlarge2nd: Darkness, Alter Self3rd: Lightning BoltWe'll be nice and hand him a Ring of Invisibility (which is roughly 7000 gp above his recommended wealth by level, but we're in a generous mood <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ).Now this is a CR 6 encounter. Of course, it's just the bare bones, there are 3 feats missing, one attribute raise, a familiar, and a handful of skills. Feel free to stat him out as you wish. But it still is a valid CR 6 encounter. Of course, also feel free to point out any errors I made by pulling this out of thin air. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Now add to that Regeneration 2, Spell Resistance 18, 10 points of Strength, Flight ability and 16 hit points, +4 melee attack bonus. On the other hand, change the Charm, Darkness & Sleep to once per day, as well as the 6d6x4 Lightning Bolt to a 9d6x1 Cone of Cold, the Alter Self to a Polymorph Self 1/day, and dump Magic Armor & Enlarge because they are not needed, and you will arrive roughly where the 3E Ogre Mage is.Now, the question is, do the changes make the Ogre Mage only a CR 6 encounter, comparable to Sorcerer X, or do the additions make it a higher-CR encounter?And yeah, a CR 1 creature with Power Word Death would be silly...except if it's a cleric with the Death domain, who at first level can walk around killing the average commoner simply by touching him. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> And the overarching point in all this? How well is the CR system really balanced, then, and should all design center around a CR fitting to a few-rounds long combat, or maybe try to incorporate more factors than "how well does it measure up to a standard adventurer group in physical combat"?</blockquote>

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