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<blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 2971056" data-attributes="member: 23977">I read over my 1e MM to get a better idea of the OM in earlier editions. It mentions that the OM will most likely be found in a cave or other remote abandoned area with some slaves and a few other Ogres.&nbsp; So I think the original was somewhat intended to be a leader, if only for a smaller band of Ogres.It says Japanese Ogre, &quot;far more powerfull then it's western cousins!&quot; So maybe it was inspired when designed by Oni, but it wasn't listed as an example of an Oni... And at this point, there are rules for Oni already in the game, so the OM doesn't really need to fill this roll...As for it's manipulative abilities... I still never really saw it as this crazy mastermind people say... The real thing I see it doing, is slipping into a town unnoticed with it's polymorph then stealing a few women and children to keep as slaves, charming them so they don't run away, and other more... hedonistic... reasons. Then the PCs show up, get into a brawl with its lesser ogre thugs, and to get away it blows it's cone of cold wad and gasses off somewhere.So perhaps the new remake lost that bit of flavor? But it doesn't make the new monster bad, and it doesn't spell the &quot;end of D&amp;D!!!&quot; as some people seem to want it to... Especially since Mr Mearls then went on to suggest a new charm type ability which would give it that former charming slaver ability AND the ability to put up a fight if it had to! (remember the thing wasn't playtested save for ONCE!)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scribble, post: 2971056, member: 23977"] I read over my 1e MM to get a better idea of the OM in earlier editions. It mentions that the OM will most likely be found in a cave or other remote abandoned area with some slaves and a few other Ogres. So I think the original was somewhat intended to be a leader, if only for a smaller band of Ogres. It says Japanese Ogre, "far more powerfull then it's western cousins!" So maybe it was inspired when designed by Oni, but it wasn't listed as an example of an Oni... And at this point, there are rules for Oni already in the game, so the OM doesn't really need to fill this roll... As for it's manipulative abilities... I still never really saw it as this crazy mastermind people say... The real thing I see it doing, is slipping into a town unnoticed with it's polymorph then stealing a few women and children to keep as slaves, charming them so they don't run away, and other more... hedonistic... reasons. Then the PCs show up, get into a brawl with its lesser ogre thugs, and to get away it blows it's cone of cold wad and gasses off somewhere. So perhaps the new remake lost that bit of flavor? But it doesn't make the new monster bad, and it doesn't spell the "end of D&D!!!" as some people seem to want it to... Especially since Mr Mearls then went on to suggest a new charm type ability which would give it that former charming slaver ability AND the ability to put up a fight if it had to! (remember the thing wasn't playtested save for ONCE!) [/QUOTE]

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