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<blockquote data-quote="jmucchiello" data-source="post: 2971954" data-attributes="member: 813">This was with regard to the 1+1 HD spider with deadly poison:In the DM, the xp value of the large spider (1+1 HD) was 65+2/hp. That was your reward. The hobgoblin (also 1+1 HD) was only worth 20+2/hp. At 1+1 to 2 HD, exceptional abilities were worth an extra 45 xp (according to the chart on page 85).* Also, note that large spider appears on the Monster Level III encounter chart. Not on the first level chart. This means you shouldn't encounter them until you are strong enough to also deal with bugbears, ghouls, ogres, gelatinous cubes and even rot grubs to name a few monsters on that chart. Hobgoblins appear on the Monster Level I chart.The difference is now the CR is in the open. But even in 1e, the large spider with deadly poison was not a 1st level party encounter. Based on the other monsters, the party should be around 4th to 5th level when they first start encountering such monsters.* Wow, haven't really opened the 1e DMG in ages but my sense of where stuff is located was still excellent. Must be because it imprinted on my brain when it was young. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="jmucchiello, post: 2971954, member: 813"] This was with regard to the 1+1 HD spider with deadly poison: In the DM, the xp value of the large spider (1+1 HD) was 65+2/hp. That was your reward. The hobgoblin (also 1+1 HD) was only worth 20+2/hp. At 1+1 to 2 HD, exceptional abilities were worth an extra 45 xp (according to the chart on page 85).* Also, note that large spider appears on the Monster Level III encounter chart. Not on the first level chart. This means you shouldn't encounter them until you are strong enough to also deal with bugbears, ghouls, ogres, gelatinous cubes and even rot grubs to name a few monsters on that chart. Hobgoblins appear on the Monster Level I chart. The difference is now the CR is in the open. But even in 1e, the large spider with deadly poison was not a 1st level party encounter. Based on the other monsters, the party should be around 4th to 5th level when they first start encountering such monsters. * Wow, haven't really opened the 1e DMG in ages but my sense of where stuff is located was still excellent. Must be because it imprinted on my brain when it was young. :) [/QUOTE]

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