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<blockquote data-quote="Tsyr" data-source="post: 861759" data-attributes="member: 354">That's sort of like trying to ask &quot;When did people stop thinking of black people as potential slaves and start thinking of them as potential human beings?&quot;, or &quot;When did XXXXX fashion fall out of fashion?&quot;... There aren't dates for that type of thing, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.No, and I quite clearly said as much that this was hardly the worst sterotype out there. But it's one of them. And again, you can't put a date on it.First, I'm hardly saying I'm a perfect anything, or hip, or anything of the sort. Heck, I'm a 20-something hetero male... I like pictures like that! I'm just not sure I like them on the gaming products that I might end up having to explain to other people. I don't care about getting &quot;benefits&quot; from anything... I just don't want to have to be scared of mentioning that I play DnD in certain places. I just don't think DnD should have social stigma rivaling saying &quot;Hey, I'm a pedophile!&quot;, or &quot;Hey, I like torturing puppies!&quot;, which it does, in places, regardless of if you see it or not.As I said. This particular point is very minor. It's just one part of a larger whole.And hey, if you want to be thought of as the sterotypical gamer geek, be my guest. I don't care what *you* want to be percieved as. Ahhh, the joy of double standards. They exist everywhere. But part of it you actualy skimmed over there, and missed it... The &quot;average guy&quot; probably has no problem with it. Doesn't do much to help improve the male-to-female ratio, though, does it? I'm not saying that ratio will ever be equal, I'm quite aware it will be a cold day in hades before that happens, but hey, any little bit...And I'll close with this: My FLGS bags your purchaes in brown paper bags. But my criteria for when a product is &quot;too far&quot; in terms of what's on the cover is, &quot;Would I be ashamed to walk though the mall with this book held in my hands, or in a clear plastic bag?&quot;. Most books, no, I wouldn't. Some books, though, I would. Most of the Avalanche books... The &quot;Norse Gods&quot; one in particular...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tsyr, post: 861759, member: 354"] That's sort of like trying to ask "When did people stop thinking of black people as potential slaves and start thinking of them as potential human beings?", or "When did XXXXX fashion fall out of fashion?"... There aren't dates for that type of thing, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. No, and I quite clearly said as much that this was hardly the worst sterotype out there. But it's one of them. And again, you can't put a date on it. First, I'm hardly saying I'm a perfect anything, or hip, or anything of the sort. Heck, I'm a 20-something hetero male... I like pictures like that! I'm just not sure I like them on the gaming products that I might end up having to explain to other people. I don't care about getting "benefits" from anything... I just don't want to have to be scared of mentioning that I play DnD in certain places. I just don't think DnD should have social stigma rivaling saying "Hey, I'm a pedophile!", or "Hey, I like torturing puppies!", which it [b]does[/b], in places, regardless of if you see it or not. As I said. This particular point is very minor. It's just one part of a larger whole. And hey, if you want to be thought of as the sterotypical gamer geek, be my guest. I don't care what *you* want to be percieved as. Ahhh, the joy of double standards. They exist everywhere. But part of it you actualy skimmed over there, and missed it... The "average guy" probably has no problem with it. Doesn't do much to help improve the male-to-female ratio, though, does it? I'm not saying that ratio will ever be [b]equal[/b], I'm quite aware it will be a cold day in hades before that happens, but hey, any little bit... And I'll close with this: My FLGS bags your purchaes in brown paper bags. But my criteria for when a product is "too far" in terms of what's on the cover is, "Would I be ashamed to walk though the mall with this book held in my hands, or in a clear plastic bag?". Most books, no, I wouldn't. Some books, though, I would. Most of the Avalanche books... The "Norse Gods" one in particular... [/QUOTE]

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